Possible Dilemma For Mike Bohn

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  1. trjnfnz

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    Ucla will not beat SC but you are right Utah will win out
     
  2. CoronaTrojanFan

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    Most likely USC would not make the Rose Bowl as it would mean that they would have to win their last two regular season games (which is doable) and then beat Oregon (most likely not going to happen but you never know given fact USC would have two weeks to prepare and get healthy if Utah slipped up). I'm reluctant to not try and believe in the players on the current team as they have played their hearts out getting to this point despite what appears to be a lack of real help from the coaching staff in either fundamentals or in-game adjustments (the latter what IMHO is the most serious deficiency).

    I don't see any problem in changing coaches if there is a proven winning coach who might be available that could elevate USC to even greater heights even if the Trojans had the good fortune to make the Rose Bowl or even a decent bowl game this year - in sports or in business sometimes conditions dictate or opportunities come up where there is a chance to make a major upgrade at some level of an organization and management would be foolish not to take advantage of such a situation for the betterment of the organization. Such would be the case if an Urban Meyer or some other proven winning/recruiting coach could be brought in to make USC football better. Coach Helton has had his chances to win more games due to either better coaching, getting better staff and/or recruiting better players and it just doesn't seem like the Trojans are at an elite level capable of competing consistently at a top 10 or even top 15 level and recruiting enough good players to advance to that kind of level.
     
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  3. TrojanDrive

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    Most years, getting into Pac 12 CCG from the South is no big deal since it hasn't really been a strong division . And even if USC gets into the CCG there is no way they beat Oregon just in case you didn't see the game 9 days ago.

    Let's say if USC could make it into the CCG every year with 4 losses then lose in the CCG. That still makes them a perennial 5 loss team. That's not success.

    Yes, if they win CCG then go to Rose Bowl then lose they are still 9-5 which also isn't USC caliber.

    The only possible way is if he wins the Rose Bowl to finish 10-4 which isn't happening with this poorly coached team because it would mean beating Oregon then beating another really good team in the Rose Bowl. Not likely.

    This team at best will finish with 8 or 9 wins with 5-6 losses. That's nothing to write home about so Helton still goes.
     
  4. conquest4ever81

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    Has a USC HC who won the CCG and got our team to the Rose Bowl ever been fired? If our guys make it, would Bohn want to be the first AD to drop that hammer?
     
  5. conquest4ever81

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    Are you one of those woke football sages who called for Helton to be fired after our recent Rose Bowl win? Could you bump your thread so we can all read it to see how smart you are?
     
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    I actually was thrilled when SC won that Rose Bowl.

    Do you mind posting a pic of Helton's thrilling bowl win in the 2018 season? Failure to do so means you're a cuck.
     
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    To answer the OP's question: uh...yes. Or if you prefer, Duh!

    How does backing into the CCG indicate a great FB coach? Winning because an ASU player drops a sure TD, or because Utah had to play a midweek Road game (the visiting team always loses those, even CPC), or because the South reached new levels of mediocrity...that somehow tells you that Helton can go toe-to-toe with Saban, Fleck, Meyer (whereever he ends up), Swinney...?
     
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    For USC the Rose Bowl is everyday stuff. Older USC fans have seen football at it's highest level in the McKay, Robinson , Carroll teams and we know it can be done again. We expect to see USC in the top 4 and playing for the NC every year. Nothing else will do.
     
  9. twenty twenty

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    Rose Bowl is not everyday stuff.
    5,6,7 loss seasons are not SC football standards. Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame would make a change if their programs even slightly resembled the depths to which we have fallen. SC needs an immediate change!
     
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    First, I am not a Helton fan and look forward to the next coach, whoever that might be, taking over. But Helton’s teams do win the occasional big game, such as Utah this year. That is what frustrates me most—demonstrated potential not be actualized regularly. I wonder though whether waiting to the end of the season (along with renewal this season) Is a way to market to a new coach. In other words, is it nice for a coach to know that you get a long rope to hang yourself? The flip side might be that it also communicates to candidates that they have a while to produce results; and of course, we would all like to see them immediately.
     
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    now after Yary de-committed USC is now rank #70 in recruiting.
     
  12. Poodlemothra

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    And we, the tarmac idiots, as you so eloquently named us , see reality and have noticed your ridiculous posts. We salute your your ignorance.
     
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  13. USCAlumFightOn

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    OP does make an interesting point. IF USC finishes strong like Bohn's mandate then it could be tricky. If your boss sets a standard for you to meet to keep your job and you meet it then is it fair for you to get fired? I know most on here would say yes but not sure if they would feel the same if they were in that position.
     
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    He is at will. They can fire him for whatever they feel like. It just depends how much money they owe him. Terrible analogy.
     
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    I think you missed my point but doubt it matters. There are entire states where the law is fire at will but if your boss outlines what you need to do to keep your job and you meet those standards then you normally aren't just fired at will unless you carried out some sort of institutional violation.
     
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  16. conquest4ever81

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    Actually, he made an excellent point but due to a lack of common sense and an inability to apply logic of course you were unable to grasp his valid point.
     
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    Clay will never beat the duck HC
     
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    If anyone believes the ASU game was an example of finishing strong.... they need a new dictionary.
    The OP lives in an alternate universe...
     
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    And your inability to grasp the reality of the state of the football team shows a complete lack of common sense.
     
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    There is always a first time for everything
     

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