TrojanHorse Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 4,962 Likes Received: 4,352 Mar 22, 2019 #181 Oh they get it. Those are the folks that have actually studied the fall of the Roman Empire. It does not mean they have to sit idly by and watch their kids and grandkids ruin their lives. They have a very strong ideology of what actually works in the world forged through experience, pain and suffering. AOC has a strong indoctrinated ideology, but she doesn't even seem to have a grasp of history in the last century...how is she supposed to be taken seriously? I need to reread The Open Society and Its Enemies. It's been too long...I can't even remember why he didn't like Plato anymore. Maybe I'll change my mind. And with that I'm going to report myself and try to get this moved to OT board ...where it belongs.