Help with kicker poll

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  1. Help with kicker poll
    DrJohnDC

    DrJohnDC Junior Member


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    Jul 11, 2019 at 8:41 PM
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    Nearly all of these kickers won a game or two worth last minute, dramatic, iconic, game winning field goals. I will probably vote for Ron Ayala from my era at USC. But; does anyone have the overall stats (career) for these players? I have no clue who has the most FG, or the highest %, or the longest, or the most game winners (last minute or not). Certainly they all deserve appreciation for an often under-appreciated, but oh so valuable, position.

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    Jul 11, 2019 at 9:00 PM
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    Stats for kickers not likely to equate to “all-time best”....

    Too many variables.....length of kicks, timing/importance in the game, big games vs. overmatched blowouts, coaching philosophy on the kicking game, offense’s inability to score TDs, etc.

    Like you point out, they all made a few clutch kicks. I’d say just vote for who you remember performed in important moments.
     
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  3. ErikMcKinney

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    Here are a couple things from last year's USC media guide:

    Last minute game-winning field goals
    Johnny Baker 1931 at Notre Dame 33 yards 1:00 16-14
    Sam Tsagalakis 1953 Stanford 38 yards 0:14 23-20
    Ron Ayala 1969 Stanford 34 yards 0:00 26-24
    Chris Limahelu 1973 Stanford 34 yards 0:03 27-26
    Frank Jordan 1977 UCLA 38 yards 0:02 29-27
    Frank Jordan 1978 Notre Dame 37 yards 0:02 27-25
    Eric Hipp 1980 at Tennessee 47 yards 0:00 20-17
    Don Shafer 1986 at Baylor 32 yards 0:00 17-14
    Quin Rodriguez 1987 Arizona 18 yards 1:11 12-10
    Adam Abrams 1997 at Notre Dame 37 yards 1:05 20-17
    David Newbury 2000 Colorado 24 yards 0:13 17-14
    David Bell 2000 at UCLA 36 yards 0:09 38-35
    Andre Heidari 2013 Stanford 47 yards 0:19 20-17
    Matt Boermeester 2016 vs. Penn State (Rose)46 yards 0:00 52-49
    Chase McGrath 2017 Texas 24 yards 2OT 27-24

    (Career)
    Most extra points kicked: 187, Andre Heidari, 2011-14 (Pac-12 record).
    Most extra point kicks attempted: 193, Andre Heidari, 2011-14 (Pac-12 record).
    Most field goals kicked: 57, Quin Rodriguez, 1987-90.

    (Season)
    Most extra points kicked: 83, Mario Danelo, 2005.
    Most extra point kicks attempted: 86, Mario Danelo, 2005.
    Most field goals kicked: 19, Quin Rodriguez, 1990; Ryan Killeen, 2003.

    This has some special teams numbers as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC_Trojans_football_statistical_leaders
     
  4. The Lizard King

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    Jul 11, 2019 at 11:07 PM
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    The poll isn't legit.

    There's no Eric Hipp on it.
     
  5. DrJohnDC

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    Jul 11, 2019 at 11:39 PM
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    Maybe Frank Jordan stands out with wins over UCLA and Notre Dame, except he doesn’t appear to be on the list. Unless Steve Jordan is really Frank.
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 6:22 AM
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    Good call.
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 6:25 AM
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    Yep. Good catch. It’s fixed now. Slip on my part.
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 10:39 AM
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    Late nights trying to decide who the best Kicker is...

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    Jul 12, 2019 at 12:11 PM
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    I think Boermeester was the best kicker I've seen at SC. There have been a few clutch field goals down through the years (including his), but SC has not exactly had a succession of Groza Award winners. I think they've had walkons at PK during quite a few seasons.

    It still pisses me off what happened to that guy.
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 12:57 PM
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    I agree with all the above. It was great to enjoy dinner with Frank Jordan at a couple of TFAC events and talk about those kicks I watched him make while I was in Jr. High, hoping to be an SC player some day. But my heart belongs to Mario Danelo, maybe because of family ties, but there was also a closeness among the squad and us supporters in those days. One of the saddest funerals ever for me.
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 1:13 PM
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    The deciding factor for me was not from game time, but from practice. When David Buehler overheard an DB complaining that the interception machine was too close and the balls were coming too hard, he stepped in and caught six hot ones in a row. He then tossed the ball to the DB and called him a wimp. (The DB didn't go after David. I suspect that was because David als played LB. I also suspect that the other DBs were laughing).
    Clincher.
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 4:42 PM
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    I voted for Chris Limahelu. I know we have had better kickers. But he was the first kicker that I saw play for SC. He was very clutch, beating furd on a last second FG. And he died way too young, RIP.

    Shouldn't Mike Rae be on the list too? The undefeated QB was a kicker too.
     
  13. DrJohnDC

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    Didn't Beuhler also tackle a player returning a kick, totally took him out?
     
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    Jul 12, 2019 at 6:04 PM
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    Yes, he did. He was also a safety that ran a 4.6 40.

    And he initiated the missing man tribute to Mario Danelo, one of the more moving moments in USC football history.

     
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    Jul 13, 2019 at 1:40 PM
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    I also voted for Limahelu, one of Coach McKay's top scorers.

    I'm surprised that Andre Heidari has gotten so many votes when it was his missed field goals that cost us a win over the Domers in 2013. What voters remember is probably the Stanford win a few weeks later.
     
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    Jul 13, 2019 at 9:32 PM
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    If I remember right, he caught him from behind and the announcer started laughing about the returner being slower than USC’s kicker.
     
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    Jul 14, 2019 at 5:59 AM
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    If the choice is based on overall value and versatility, I'd go with Buehler. Indeed, the smaller the roster, the more this becomes clear. But though Buehler was a good athlete with a great leg, his accuracy and consistency weren't pro-level. Problem is, from this list I don't see anyone else who meets that criteria either. We have had a plethora of good kickers, a paucity of any that qualified as great.
     
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    Jul 15, 2019 at 8:46 AM
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    Well...Baker had the most important kick in USC history.
     
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    Jul 15, 2019 at 9:55 AM
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    Heh, I’ve looked at the list 3 times and still can’t pick one standout that I check the box for....yes, not that some haven’t been good.

    My memory tells me Quin Rodriguez was very reliable....maybe the most reliable?
     
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