Football this fall

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  1. 3rd Slide

    3rd Slide Junior Member


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    So we should all quit driving because we might get in an accident and kill someone else? Yeah, that’s going to work...

    And from what I’ve read, the number of 20-year olds dying is infinitesimally small, so the propagation argument doesn’t hold water in this case.
     
  2. Awsi Dooger

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    Coronavirus required no thought whatsoever. That is the astonishing aspect. When there's been nothing comparable in a full century that's just a slight hint to always err high and not low. It took breathtaking stupidity to ever pretend there was reason to deny or err low. We had the surreal advantage of going last, not first.

    Other nations are in disbelief at how the United States has handled this. Somehow it became like a frozen dinner with a set time limit. Okay, it's done. Take it out. Time to go out.

    As I've posted on countless sites since February, anyone denying or erring low is going to be wrong every step of the way. The spikes here in Florida are no surprise whatsoever given the dunce method I've witnessed from the young crowd. Tonight the 10 PM to 6 AM curfew was reinstated. Beaches are closed again. None of that should have changed in the first place.

    How can anyone care about football, or any sport? The nation is on track to have 100,000 new cases or thereabouts per day. The virus is predictably evolving. Fauci said Thursday that it has taken on a new strain that is 3-9 times easier to transfer. Deaths are wildly understated, not overstated. Check the number of Florida deaths attributed to pneumonia in a given year, compared to this year. The number is something like 6X typical. That's because they are desperately doing everything they can to pretend coronavirus is not killing as many people as actual. The history books will record it that way, even while the types who have been wrong every step of the way still cling to their favorite media brainstorming the low end.

    Again, how can anyone give a flip about football? This virus causes lung scarring. Many shortened lives and troubled medical futures are being caused now by young people who are stupid enough to believe that surviving it means skating it.

    I applaud USC for getting the jump on forgetting about classes per usual. Countless more will soon come to the same realization. Sporting events that were rescheduled under the silly 3-month assumption will be cancelled in blocks as well.

    I know one thing, as a Canes season ticket holder there is not 1% chance I am attending this fall. Jackie Gleason used to say the Miami Beach audience was the greatest audience in the world. Currently the college football demographic is the most ignorant in the world.
     
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  3. Trojack

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    Better re-read the post. (a) nothing about quitting driving, and (b) viruses don't propagate? That's kinda why it's called a virus.
     
  4. Troken

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    It seems that you not only want football shutdown because of your extreme fear of the virus spreading but that you would see every aspect of daily life involving interaction with other humans shut down as well. Apparently no one should be able to go to dinner because they might be in danger, no one should go to the beach because there is a chance that a stray microbe might be strong enough to fight its way through the air and land on you and infect you. I am in the high risk group from this disease but I am not going to cower in my house and live in a constant state of fear as it seems that you are advocating and will be your course of action.
     
  5. heyrev

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    Obviously, from all you've expressed, this would be your perception. Note: "perception."
     
  6. 3rd Slide

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    I'd explain it to you but, frankly, I've got better things to do. Good luck with it though.
     
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  7. Trojack

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    You don't need to. That's what I got my doctorate in. But thanks for playing.
     
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  8. CrownoftheValley

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    Dr. David Samadi
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    The CDC website states that “a positive [COVID-19] result could mean that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.” This is also contributing to the rise of infections!
     
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  9. K9Buck

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    Do you also applaud USC for raising tuition? Great timing, right?
     
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    Lol, sounds like I’m not the one who got played.
     
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    That's the antibody test, not the PCR that is used to make the diagnosis. The latter doesn't cross react with cold viruses. The rise in infections is real.
     
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    Trying to read this carefully to see if anything posted here is accurate.

    Also...not sure why anyone gives a crap what "other nations" think of us. Except for Germany, the US has done better than any other major European country, so perhaps they should keep their traps shut.

    Take out 4 or 5 Northeastern states and folks in senior homes and what do your "stats" show, even with the overstatement of COVID deaths (if you died WITH COVID, you died OF COVID). Orange County has 3.2M people...and about 150 non-senior home deaths. That's a crisis?

    Another fail by someone wallowing in Pandemic Porn.
     
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    I agree with Dennis Prager that shutting down the economy in response to the Chinese virus is the biggest mistake in the history of mankind. We need to stop listening to peddlers of pandemic porn like Neil Ferguson and Anthony Fauci.
     
  14. Tod78

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    The US had 44,530 new cases reported yesterday.

    The UK had 516. Pretty sure that's less than 44,530.
    Italy had 192. Also a bit less than 44,530.
    Belgium had 71. Still less than 44,530.
    Netherlands had 73. I checked my calculator. Still less than 44,530.
    Poland 231.
    Switzerland 70.
    Ireland 18 new cases.
    Austria 115.
    Finland had all of 5 new cases.

    France, Spain and Sweden didn't report.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    The virus hit hard in Europe first, so in some cases our cumulative numbers don't look as bad adjusted for population, but they got it under control while we are stampeding past all of Europe, still setting records almost daily. If this is what "doing far better" looks like I don't want any part of it.

    Look. I love college football as much as anybody and can't wait for games to start again. Dad took me to my first game in 1964 and I've been going ever since. But wishful thinking and just hoping it goes away like magic is just not tethered to reality. Sorry. I wish it was.
     
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    Did you actually read that chart? Deaths per 1M: USA 401, UK 652. I'm not sure why you bother with number of "cases," an irrelevant metric, It's deaths that count--and the US has fewer per capita than any big country in Europe than Germany. Even Sweden is doing better than the UK, without all the collateral damage.

    So yes, you should want "any part of it" when it comes to COVID success--and that is ignoring the overcount of deaths, and the fact that half of all our deaths are in 4 NE states--yes, the states that shut down the most severely are the ones with the deaths.
     
  16. Tod78

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    Sigh.

    I'll use little words.

    The UK deaths per million is somewhere close to the total for the outbreak because they aren't adding lots of new cases.

    The US deaths per million is not anywhere close to the final number because we are still adding tens of thousands of new cases every day. New cases means new deaths weeks or months from now.

    Cherry picking the numbers you want, but ignoring context, to get to the conclusion you want to be true is just wishful thinking.
     
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    Sigh. I'll use little words.

    The US is doing better than the UK, considering that half our cases are localized into one small area governed by incompetents who killed tens of thousands out of neglect. The rest of the cases are mostly folks in their 80s living in Senior homes. For what it's worth, you can also toss in the alleged fact that a disproportionate number of our deaths are in ethnic groups that the UK doesn't have in large numbers. I'm not sure how any of that means it's dangerous to play CFB.

    The UK is also an island, easier to isolate, isn't it?

    So your desire to believe that we're experiencing the Black Death is just Pandemic Porn. CFB is played by healthy 20 year olds who have almost zero risk of dying or even getting seriously ill. Yes, it's basically the flu for them. I believe that there has still not been a single person under 18 years old that had died of COVID in California. No wishful thinking here.
     
  18. Tod78

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nick-cordero-death-broadway-actor-age-41-coronavirus/

    That was some flu. He was 41.

    Texas 5,183 new cases yesterday.
    Florida 10,059 new cases yesterday.
    Arizona 3,539 new cases yesterday.

    Democratic strongholds, not so much.

    I don't want this to be an economic and health disaster. It hit my business and my 401(k) just like everybody else. It is lazy to assume that anybody who doesn't agree with you must have some ulterior motive. I don't. I just am not willing to let wishful thinking take the place of actual reality.
     
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    It depends on how compliant we want to be. How willing we are to let a few quasi authorities to dictate to us when we have clear workarounds that make sense for all involved. If we do as Cali Gov. says, there will be no football. I hate to think what kind of trouble a lot of players will get into when not chasing their NFL dreams. It depends on how willing the corrupt powers that be at USC are to forgo the revenue from football this year. Ahhhh, meh, the way I look at it, it just gives us more time to plan for our next football coach and start the campaign to claw our way back from the abyss.
     
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    How many CFB players are 41? And what other conditions did this guy have? And are we now basing policy on anecdotal evidence? OK, one more: we've agreed, haven't we, that the US's main problem is the NYC area? I'm willing to concede that the 4 states in the NYC area are half the cases. Factor that into your wishful thinking that the disease is evenly spread.

    Cute that you'd cite "cases," an irrelevant metric, in Republican states. Democrats represent the majority of deaths, don't they? Looking at the death map, what percentage of deaths are in blue states--you know, the ones that shut down? Admit it: there's no correlation between shutting down and death rate--or perhaps there's an inverse one: state that shut down have the most deaths.

    But since you're on a roll...what's the death toll caused by the shutdowns? Suicides, depression, delayed medical treatments, kids not getting vaccinated, higher numbers of domestic or child abuse? Got those numbers?

    I really don't think you want to go down the path of deaths in Dem vs. Rep states. But I guess since a Broadway guy died, we should shut down the country again?
     
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