Enjoy it while you can....

Discussion in 'GarryP's Trojan Huddle' started by ICEnEC, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. Enjoy it while you can....
    ICEnEC

    ICEnEC Points Member


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    I am talking to you, quack and dawg fans. Yeah, you have us by the short one's right now, so your window is open to rule the Pac. It won't last long, and here's why.

    First for the kids in Seattle. You had your shot. Had the HC everyone said would get you over the top. He didn't. Hell, he had to step down, because he was so burned out by what it takes to get, and stay on top. Brought in great classes, won alot of games, but he didn't get you, where you thought he would. Now you have a brand new HC. Good luck with that.

    For the delusional people in Eugene. You guys crack me up. The Bright Shiny Object. It's what you are now, and its all you will ever be. I did a quick check because I wasn't sure. Oh wow. Look at that, ZERO NC's, in the history of your program. Even when Chip was the innovator he was, he got you close, but didn't get to the Top. You just had a Top 1o draft pick at QB, and still crapped the bed in Tempe. It's not in your DNA to win the NC. Ever. Yeah, you handed us our lunch this year, and are taking top kids from our backyard, so good for you. Will Cristobal get you there??? Maybe he does. History says he won't.

    If we have to suffer through another year, we will. But sometime (hopefully soon), we will have a HC that will get us back to where we belong. Keeping all the best recruits here, and snatching one or two from the across the country that gets us over the top. That's the difference between us, and you guys. We have fertile ground, AND we are able to pull from all over the country, when we are rolling. Neither of your programs can say that. So enjoy your year next year, it's probably your best shot, to win it all. For awhile. We will be here licking our wounds for now, but trust me, we will be back. Sooner, rather than later.
     
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  2. 1USCTROJANFANS

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    Yes I agree.. don't wake up the sleering giant. .USC will rise again.
    I hope coach Helton will find the right combination and good luck to make it happen.
    Fight on
     
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    Fantastic post. All ups have downs. For us we’re at our lowest and there’s only up from here. Sure Helton has to go but everything will eventually fall into place. I really think we’re going to get a de facto head coach in our next Defensive Coordinator. The ducks are a lame one trick pony and the dogs will eventually get ticks. The rise to the top is one of the best feelings for sports fans. As a lakers fan we went through lows and now are an elite team and everybody left the lakers for dead yet they’re at the top of the nba. I’m not saying we’re winning a chip but I know the Lakeshow will be fighting for one.
     
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    How does SC improve with sub standard facilities... a below the norm sports budget..
    ..a third rate coach and a spineless AD.. that topped by a school president or BOT that cares about football
    Maybe O and W will never meet the highs SC has experienced but they will be better than us for the foreseeable future
    As long as we that sap as our head coach we are going no where but down
     
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    I don't think we've seen rock bottom with this program yet. Two more years of Helton's mediocre coaching and recruiting will leave us in worse shape than we are in right now. We were ripe for the picking this year for Urban Meyer, he will most likely have another job by the time this one is available again. In two years we will be spoiled fruit.

    What scares me about Oregon is that they have survived a couple of coaching disasters and haven't lost momentum. Cristobal focus on the lines on both sides of the ball and he is getting good lineman from the south and Texas. They will be a force in the Pac 12 for the foreseeable future.

    Ducks record since 2000: 187-70
    Trojans record since 2000: 188-70

    I hate the Ducks more than anyone, but they've been here and they ain't going anywhere. We need to get better and beat them because if we wait for them to fall, we will be waiting a long time.
     
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    Oh good grief! People were posting this when we were down because of the sanctions. “Just you wait, Zeros! We will be back with a vengeance!”

    Well the only thing that came back was Duck beat downs of the Trojans.
     
  7. RB4SC

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    Okay, go AWAY and count your NCs...(sorry if that hurt your feelings 23B).

    Fight On, FOREVER, Fight On!
    RB4SC
     
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    Uh, sure. The Floats WILL enjoy it. For a long, long time. The priorities of that school are absolutely clear, whereas the priorities at USC are anything other than athletic excellence.
     
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    Yawn.
     
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    Keep dreaming. Dude's had 5 years to get it together, and still hasn't found the right combination. He found luck with Darnold (and to some extent, Slovis), but he'll never win more than 10 games a year. And those games he does win will be sloppy victories against much less talented teams with poor records. Just like this year.
     
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    Just have to luck into a great hire.

    It’s been our key hiring protocol since 1940.
     
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    True of many programs, isn't it? Look over the last 40 years of coaching at Alabama. For every Saban and Bryant there is a Dubose and Shula. Miami has almost disappeared because of the mediocre coaching the last 20 years. Oklahoma has had its share of mediocrity, or have you forgotten John Blake and Gary Gibbs? How about Willingham, Weis, and other goofy coaches at ND? And those programs have better focus on their athletic programs. Hopefully we luck out again soon.
     
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    No. You missed the point.

    Hiring coaches that don’t pan out happen at all levels....Im talking about hiring unknowns because they’re cheap.

    But all schools try and hire the best guys that have credentials and a resume.

    All except USC.

    Since Jones, SC has hired one guy with experience and some success.
    Larry Smith.

    Pete was not a good “hire”, turned out great. A lucky hire.
    McKay was not a good “hire”, an assistant under Clark.
    A lucky hire.
    Robinson was hired as an assistant under McKay, made his hay off McKay’s success.
    Sark, ex assistant. Shitty coach at UW
    Kiffin, ex assistant. Shitty coach at UT and Oakland.
    Hackett. Shitty coach at Pitt. Career assistant.
    Tollner. Career assistant. No HC experience.
    Helton. SC Assistant. No HC experience.

    Jones is the only championship winning coach SC has ever hired.

    Weis had a lot of success at New England. Was considered a great offensive mind. Good hire. Bad HC.
    Willingham had some success at Stanford, a tough place to coach. Goid hire, bad HC.

    Bama’s Shula hire was a last minute panic hire due to the Mike Price fiasco.
    Dubose was a career Bama guy, ex assistant. Terrible hire. They haven’t done that since.

    Miami hired some bad coaches, ex assistants with no HC experience. Mark Richt was a good hire. Other than that, they’ve had a slew of shitty hires since Coker. And they are where SC is at...sucking wind. Miami actually solidifies my point of what happens when you don’t hire well.

    SC thinks all they need is a HC that can recruit, and they’ll win, and for a long time that was the case....now you need scheme and coaching.

    Now SC doesn’t even have recruiting. And the worst part is, we won’t feel the effects of this class for 2-3 years.
     
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    Interesting to note that the top two schools in Pac12 recruiting this year are UW and UO - schools that USC won't play in 2021 or 2022 unless they meet in the Pac12 Championship Game. Yeah - next year in Eugene things might be tough but UW was supposed to be a dominant team this year and they didn't deliver anything remarkable on the field except for some startling losses in the conference. And while Matt Fink did an admirable job in Seattle with KS USC might have been able to keep it closer or even win that game.

    Still holding onto hope that USC can get a new DC that might be able to bring up the defense to a higher level that will allow Trojan offense to win a couple more games this year (hopefully a win against ND in the Coliseum in 2020!)
     
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    Correction -- most fans couldn't see at the time that Pete was a good hire; so, naturally, to them he was a "lucky" hire.

    Mike Garrett obviously saw Pete as a good hire or he wouldn't have tried to hire him back in 1997.
     
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    of maybe he would have not offered four others before PC if he truly thought Pete was a good hire
     
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    What part of "Garrett tried to hire Carroll in 1997" isn't clear to you? Obviously, he was Garrett's FIRST choice in 1997.

    Again, Carroll was only a "lucky hire" to the fans who didn't want him at the time and still can't admit that they were wrong to not want him.
     
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    LOL, uh, hello?
     
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    Pete was 5th choice.
    Was out of work, under.500, and twice fired.
    It wasn’t a good hire.
     
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    Let's try this again --
    What part of "in 1997 Carroll was Garrett's first choice" is unclear to you "Pete was just a lucky hire" mantra fans?
     

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