Without a true SC there is no PAC12. vikings4123 Points Member Joined: Oct 20, 2018 Messages: 309 Likes Received: 227 Dec 31, 2019 #1 Texas is not done yet. Utah exposed. 17-0 is not the end. WI will finish it off tomorrow vs. Oregon. Helton has to go. With no SC there is no viable PAC 12. gubo&palanka, cshen10 and Troy70 like this.
Texas is not done yet. Utah exposed. 17-0 is not the end. WI will finish it off tomorrow vs. Oregon. Helton has to go. With no SC there is no viable PAC 12.
norcalsurfer Points Member Joined: Sep 1, 2017 Messages: 4,925 Likes Received: 5,090 Dec 31, 2019 #2 Larry Scott too Cardinal&Gold, ConquerorSC, LaissezFaire28thStUSC and 2 others like this.
JayBird23 Points Member Joined: Nov 17, 2018 Messages: 477 Likes Received: 439 Dec 31, 2019 #3 There's no west coast.
vikings4123 Points Member Joined: Oct 20, 2018 Messages: 309 Likes Received: 227 Dec 31, 2019 #4 S'cuse me...24-3.
vikings4123 Points Member Joined: Oct 20, 2018 Messages: 309 Likes Received: 227 Dec 31, 2019 #5 SC is the only true school that can win a NC for the PAC12. Helton could be given 100 years to do it and it will not happen. gubo&palanka, cshen10 and Troy70 like this.
SC is the only true school that can win a NC for the PAC12. Helton could be given 100 years to do it and it will not happen.
vikings4123 Points Member Joined: Oct 20, 2018 Messages: 309 Likes Received: 227 Dec 31, 2019 #6 S'cuse me. 31-10. Clay is why all of the Pac12 is second rate. SC sets the standard. There is no standard. Fire him Bohn. gubo&palanka likes this.
S'cuse me. 31-10. Clay is why all of the Pac12 is second rate. SC sets the standard. There is no standard. Fire him Bohn.
KnightsWhoSayNi Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 425 Likes Received: 546 Dec 31, 2019 #7 According to FlyFish its futile since theres no football talent or speed left on the west coast, that the South just grows better football players somehow. We should all just pack it up and go do something else. Badminton anyone?
According to FlyFish its futile since theres no football talent or speed left on the west coast, that the South just grows better football players somehow. We should all just pack it up and go do something else. Badminton anyone?
heyrev Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,754 Likes Received: 1,875 Dec 31, 2019 #8 This board has gone completely unhinged with Helton-Hate. My only hope for sanity is that posts like the one above isn't actually serious. ConquerorSC likes this.
This board has gone completely unhinged with Helton-Hate. My only hope for sanity is that posts like the one above isn't actually serious.
87trojan Points Member Joined: Nov 1, 2019 Messages: 138 Likes Received: 149 Dec 31, 2019 #9 USC is the standard. The right coach brought in can absolutely compete get into the playoffs and win a title. UW and Oregon made the playoff, we still have a much larger all time stature than those programs.. Problem is we've been hampered with incompetent coaching since the inception of the playoffs. That has to change. Bohn if he is smart has a compiled list of coaches who would be viable candidates to take over. I can't imagine Bohn is so blind that he can't see that Helton is not gonna make it here. The Holiday Bowl should have driven the point home. We shall see. I am concerned that USC will bungle a search for a replacement. Get the right guy, and the blue blood of the west coast could be back in relatively short order. Keep the guy we have now, and 7 or 8 wins will be the norm. gubo&palanka likes this.
USC is the standard. The right coach brought in can absolutely compete get into the playoffs and win a title. UW and Oregon made the playoff, we still have a much larger all time stature than those programs.. Problem is we've been hampered with incompetent coaching since the inception of the playoffs. That has to change. Bohn if he is smart has a compiled list of coaches who would be viable candidates to take over. I can't imagine Bohn is so blind that he can't see that Helton is not gonna make it here. The Holiday Bowl should have driven the point home. We shall see. I am concerned that USC will bungle a search for a replacement. Get the right guy, and the blue blood of the west coast could be back in relatively short order. Keep the guy we have now, and 7 or 8 wins will be the norm.
flyfishintrojan Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 5,654 Likes Received: 3,558 Dec 31, 2019 #10 Like pretty much much every team in the Pac12 using mostly California kids getting prison raped by also ran teams from other conferences DOESN’T MAKE MY CASE. I am going to win this argument as time goes by and the Pac12 continues to fall apart. Money in the bank. PAC12 BOWL RECORD PAST THREE YEARS IS WHAT? 1 win 2017/2018, 3 wins 2018/2019, this year 2019/2020 absolute blow out dogshit. Yep I don’t know nothing. I just back and watch my theories play out dead fucking right.
Like pretty much much every team in the Pac12 using mostly California kids getting prison raped by also ran teams from other conferences DOESN’T MAKE MY CASE. I am going to win this argument as time goes by and the Pac12 continues to fall apart. Money in the bank. PAC12 BOWL RECORD PAST THREE YEARS IS WHAT? 1 win 2017/2018, 3 wins 2018/2019, this year 2019/2020 absolute blow out dogshit. Yep I don’t know nothing. I just back and watch my theories play out dead fucking right.
J4SC75 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,450 Likes Received: 1,372 Jan 1, 2020 #11 Heyrev, you're right. I would argue that Larry Scott is more an issue than Clay, though I do think the Pac 12 benefits when SC is strong in football. We are making much less per team than teams in other conferences and that affects having resources to recruit and build facilities. The Pac 12, even Oregon, pales in what they offer student athletes compared to the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12. Even the ACC will probably do better with their sports channel. After all they took more time "to avoid the mistakes that the Pac 12 made." ConquerorSC likes this.
Heyrev, you're right. I would argue that Larry Scott is more an issue than Clay, though I do think the Pac 12 benefits when SC is strong in football. We are making much less per team than teams in other conferences and that affects having resources to recruit and build facilities. The Pac 12, even Oregon, pales in what they offer student athletes compared to the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12. Even the ACC will probably do better with their sports channel. After all they took more time "to avoid the mistakes that the Pac 12 made."
gubo&palanka Points Member WeAreSc Member Joined: Sep 23, 2017 Messages: 3,338 Likes Received: 3,548 Jan 1, 2020 #12 He means only USC can set the standard. With Helton, SC will never again have the type of team that can represent the Pac-12 in the national championship and win the national title.
He means only USC can set the standard. With Helton, SC will never again have the type of team that can represent the Pac-12 in the national championship and win the national title.
vikings4123 Points Member Joined: Oct 20, 2018 Messages: 309 Likes Received: 227 Jan 1, 2020 #13 Thank you. That is precisely what I meant. You said it exactly.
13Perspective Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 81 Likes Received: 50 Jan 1, 2020 #14 Other than the Rose Bowl win against Penn State 3 long seasons ago, we haven’t been remotely relevant other than as a punching bag for other decent programs. With Stanford and the Huskies slipping, when people in the rest of the country think of the Pac12, it is Oregon that they consider first. It is what it is.
Other than the Rose Bowl win against Penn State 3 long seasons ago, we haven’t been remotely relevant other than as a punching bag for other decent programs. With Stanford and the Huskies slipping, when people in the rest of the country think of the Pac12, it is Oregon that they consider first. It is what it is.
Awsi Dooger Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 133 Likes Received: 95 Jan 1, 2020 #15 I've been back in Florida the past 11 years. Nobody here pays attention to the Pac 12 unless USC is elite. Otherwise even when there are legitimate Pac 12 teams like some recent Petersen versions at Washington, nobody pays attention or cares. Their introduction to that team is a bowl defeat. It wasn't this way when I was a kid in Florida. Everybody knew the Pac 8 at that point, because it always got the late feature game on ABC. I remember in elementary school when kids were pretending they were Jim Plunkett to Randy Vataha in PE class. This was from 3000 miles away. No chance of anything like that today. It would be, "Randy who?" The Pac 12 has purchased the obscurity and the mocking via a string of cupcake hires like Rich Rodriguez and Mike Leach and Chip Kelly and Clay Helton and so forth. Nobody respects a conference when you wake up on Sunday and see scores like 52-45. Everyone senses it is soft pathetic football more than great offense. I desperately wanted an Urban Meyer hire not only for what it would do for USC, but the conference in general. Other programs could no longer afford to be cupcake with sprinkles on top once Meyer re-established USC with a physical presence. travyav likes this.
I've been back in Florida the past 11 years. Nobody here pays attention to the Pac 12 unless USC is elite. Otherwise even when there are legitimate Pac 12 teams like some recent Petersen versions at Washington, nobody pays attention or cares. Their introduction to that team is a bowl defeat. It wasn't this way when I was a kid in Florida. Everybody knew the Pac 8 at that point, because it always got the late feature game on ABC. I remember in elementary school when kids were pretending they were Jim Plunkett to Randy Vataha in PE class. This was from 3000 miles away. No chance of anything like that today. It would be, "Randy who?" The Pac 12 has purchased the obscurity and the mocking via a string of cupcake hires like Rich Rodriguez and Mike Leach and Chip Kelly and Clay Helton and so forth. Nobody respects a conference when you wake up on Sunday and see scores like 52-45. Everyone senses it is soft pathetic football more than great offense. I desperately wanted an Urban Meyer hire not only for what it would do for USC, but the conference in general. Other programs could no longer afford to be cupcake with sprinkles on top once Meyer re-established USC with a physical presence.
