Where are today’s Anthony Munoz and Max Montoya?

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  1. BlemBlam

    BlemBlam Junior Member


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    So, you’re saying they should just sign Hispanic players because .............?

    No college coach gives two fvcks what a kids ethnicity or race is. Can he help me win? Yes? Go get him

    The reason college coaches are recruiting Samoan and Tongan players, is because they are far and away better football players. Just look at NFL Rosters if you don’t believe me.

    Do Latino kids have a harder row to hoe as for getting noticed and getting a scholarship? Probably. But if a kid in HS has the talent to play at the next level, they’ll find him.
     
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    Peete2Affholter Junior Member


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    The fact that those coaches arent signing Hispanic players in huge numbers has nothing to do with deliberately disregarding Hispanic players, and more to do with the fact that there are simply fewer of them out there than players of other ethnicities.

    You really think that, if some kid is out there who is 6-6, 290 pounds, who runs a 4.9 40, and can squat a Volkswagen, wouldn't get an offer from all these coaches if his name were Gutierrez, or Garcia, or Gonzales, instead of Jackson, Smith, or Jones?
     
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    Spot on!
     
  4. BlemBlam

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    Orale wey
     
  5. flyfishintrojan

    flyfishintrojan Junior Member


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    At Utah, yes. At SC, maybe.
     
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    Nope never said that. Don't spin the topic to fit your narrative.

    Are you sure about that? Do you really believe SEC fans or ACC fans want to see black athletes get passed over for other ethnicities? There wouldn't be an SEC without the black athlete. Stop sugar coating it.

    I do believe you.

    I wonder how you came to that conclusion?
     
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    Really? Have you looked at the names of an average high school football roster in CA? 3/4 of them are hispanic. I don't know where you follow high school football?
     
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    And how many of them are 3, 4, or 5 star recruits? The HC’s don’t set those recruiting rankings you know. Yet you are accusing all blue blood HC’s of being both stupid and racist.
     
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    Yes - and I know some entire teams from say, Norwalk, Bell and Bell Gardens, Bellflower, etc. are of Mexican descent.

    But, most of them are like the welterweight and middleweight boxers we talked about earlier in this thread - they're certainly talented and passionate football players, and if there were weight divisions in football like there are in boxing, you'd see tons of Hispanic players, but the fact is that football is a sport for large people, and the number of large Hispanics is smaller than the number of large whites or blacks or Polynesians.

    And I know this discussion was originally about linemen, but it should stand to reason that, given that some entire HS teams are Mexican-American, from the QB to the DBs and everything in between, there would be plenty of running backs, WRs, linebackers, etc. of Mexican descent in the talent pool as well. So why aren't they more well represented? Again - it's a size thing. A kid who is playing QB at 5-10 and 165lbs. is not going to get many looks from a USC or Clemson when there's a plethora of 6-4, 215 lbs guys who can sling the ball as good or better. A linebacker who weighs 205 pounds (and doesn't have the frame to add more weight) isn't getting looks from big schools unless he's a freak athlete who they can turn into a safety or kick returner.
     
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    Nama, the OS, LSU, choke-lahoma. Check the rousters
     
  11. StdntBdyRght33

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    Best post yet!
     
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    Dude, there are a ton of white kids in California who love and play futbol. It’s rising popularity in the entire US is not attributable to Latin players who live here - although that seems to be the case, it isn’t. The answer is more complex, but I imagine the rise in futbol’s popularity has more to do with TEAM USA’s constant and embarrassing losses to El Tricolor. It’s competition, capital investment and no CTE that’s helping soccer grow.
     
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    I think soccer's popularity in the USA had its genesis in the 1994 World Cup hosted by us. For the first time for most Americans, they got an up close look at world-class soccer players. I think most Americans' exposure to soccer up to that point was watching their 8-year old nephews and nieces chase a ball around a small field of mostly crabgrass, or maybe some high school level soccer at best.

    Then the MLS carefully cultivated its nascent fanbase, deliberately helping the teams in the major markets (DC, NYC, LA) get good at the expense of the smaller market teams, as well as making sure the majority of the players were home grown Murricans and not furriners with funny-sounding names.

    Then, the fact that ESPN and other networks began broadcasting European soccer games to American audiences is what really blew it up.

    Soccer is still a (maybe) distant fifth in popularity in North America, but it is leaps and bounds more popular than it was a generation ago, and many more young American athletes who in generations past would be strapping on batting gloves, or lacing up football cleats or dribbling a basketball, are deciding to take their talents onto the pitch.
     
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    Diversity quotas should be applied and all sports should have equal representation from each racial group, that will even the playing field. Soon, each team will be 50% Male/Female as well. We will find out who can really coach..... :)

    What does a Mexican-American look like anyway? 2% Red Hair, 18% Blonde, etc.

    Demographic statistics according to Mexico's National Institute of Statistics.[81]

    Ethnic groups in mexico

    21% indigenous mexicans (native american).

    25% mestizo (indigenous+european).

    47% light skinned-mexican or white-mexicans ("castizo"mostly european or "white"european descendent).

    1% asian-mexicans (mostly asian or asian descendent).

    5% afro-mexicans (mostly black or black descendent).

    1% not classified.

    hair color
    18% blond hair.

    2% red hair.

    80% black hair or dark brown.

    eye color
    28% light-colored eyes.

    72% dark- or mixed eyes.
     
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    lets be honest Caryl Smith Gilbert would be an improvement over Helton. She's an up and coming coach in T&F. Clay well........
     
  17. Damien

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    I meant players as well, you could then eliminate all Men's/Women's sports as everyone would be coed at a 50/50 makeup. :) I think they should do in Golf now, just split the diff on the tee boxes and let the best golfer win, no handicap crap. I did not understand why Phil/Tiger played the back tees and Brady/Manning played up on some holes, just split the difference it would have been more fun to watch.
     
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    There's no shortage of black latino/hispanic boxers or athletes in general. Maybe USC can start recruiting big black hispanics for the interior line and speedy athletic ones to play the "skill" positions. Lots of big black Mexicans living in Vera Cruz...really big. Untapped athletic resources, if you really commit to look for them, are out there. IMHO
     
  19. Peete2Affholter

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    Ugh, two Irish and a Spartan. Yuck. J/k.

    Take a look at their size - highly atypical for Asian-Americans.

    So yeah, while there are a few big enough and athletic enough to play D1 college, they're really quite rare.
     

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