Was Harrell extension a mistake?

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  1. Was Harrell extension a mistake?
    BuTrojan

    BuTrojan Junior Member


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    Last night showed the problems with an air raid and why no team had won a championship featuring a pure air raid. USC didn’t even pretend to commit to the running game. If this is Harrells offense, can we even win with it? I seriously doubt it. We might be able to expose weak pac12 teams but not top tier programs. How could we even get RBs or TEs to commit to the program knowing they won’t play a role in the offense? Was Harrells extension simply doubling down on retaining Helton? I know you can’t switch OCs every year, which we were at risk of doing. What’s everyone’s thoughts? Can Harrell adapt his offense? Or does it even matter if we keep Helton?
     
       
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    Hell yes signing this no body for 3 damn years was stupid ! SC got played again ! who cares if Texas ‘wanted’ Harrell’s like agent was spouting. The Air Stink is for Tex Tech and Wazzu’s not god damn USC. That goes for using 2nd half on side kicks vs the freaking Iowa’s of the world too.
    Just end this god damn nightmare already! Fire the whole lazy incompetent and move on ... no one wants or cares about these idiots
     
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    It’s safe to say that any decision USC is making as of late is a mistake. Prove me wrong....
     
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    Yes x 1,000. Gimmick offenses are devised when personnel shortages and insufficiencies are present.

    Well, now to think of it, maybe that’s why we have him.
     
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    Not his fault our S&C is garbage, that our OL development is garbage.

    He’s being paid to move the football downfield, and the RBs aren’t able to do that.
     
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    Harrell of course knows they need to run the ball. But they can't, obviously.
     
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    Every thing starts with the line. USC when they were great always had outstanding lines. Helton has gotten good skilled players. This does not mean shit if you don't have a good line. Our running game sucks and our QBs are getting killed. On the defensive side our line play has exposed our defensive backs. No DB can sustain when you give a QB all of the time in the world to pass. That is too much to expect. Additionally, because of this shit line we have been exposed week after week with the sweep and misdirection plays. You have to teach the DEs and LBs how to effectively read the offense tendencies. We are inconsistent with our tackling, constantly are made susceptible to big plays because of over-pursuit. When we blitz we rush everyone at the same time instead slightly delaying the LBers. We have absolutely no discipline. We have one of the highest penalty percentage in the nation and we celebrate like we have been there on stupid inconsequential plays. Sorry folks, this is coaching.
     
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    Speaking of the lines, did Drake Jackson play last night? Didn’t hear his name called
     
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    The offense, statistically, was much, much better, so Harrell's extension was necessary. His offense was the only think that improved. We need offensive lineman to get the running game better.
     
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    It's all a mistake. The past few years have been a mistake.
     
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    I think it’s still too early to say if Harrell was a mistake. As mentioned above, OL development is suspect. Example, Austin Jackson has been touted as a first round draft pick. After watching his performance against a true NFL defensive lineman made Jackson look like a freshman in his first game. The OL can’t open holes for the RB’s therefore, the RB’s are getting taken down at the LOS or get injured. Even going to full on pass first air raid, the OL does a poor job protecting the QB. JT out for the year, Kedon constantly getting beat up. I feel sorry for the kid. Full blown cleaning house of the coaching staff HAS to happen TODAY, NOW!
     
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    Every pure offense is a gimmick. A power running offense has power running as its gimmick. That's why power running teams can't get behind, they can't throw effectively to catch back up.

    The air raid is the mirror opposite. If our offensive line could blow people off the line we'd have something. Unfortunately our strength is our receiving corp, and when healthy a decent qb. Behind Slovis is nobody, so we couldn't score.

    All I know is if we can get solid line play we'd be alright, but to date, that hasn't happened. I don't believe not protecting the qb is an air raid thing, it's a poor offensive line thing.
     
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    x 1000

    Let's keep in mind also that Helton learned under Kiff and Sark who neglected line play over flashy WR's.
     
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    Yes. We improved all the way to #35 in scoring offense.
     
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    Yes and here's why. Any good head coach will almost certainly want to staff his own positions. Harrell's contract just adds to the financial burden when they all are asked to leave.
     
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    Hopefully the new coach is a defense guy, the Harrel Slovis connection makes a good package for a new coach
     
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    GH may be a fine coach, but the Air Raid is not the answer for USC. It has and will continue to erode our level of line play/toughness, and it is not effective against disciplined, hard-nosed defenses. If he could adapt away from the Air Raid, or evolve it into something that also features hard-nosed running and blocking, then maybe not a bad decision. If it is more of the same, then yes, a bad decision.
     
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    I raised this question and the sunshine pumpers who took the scoring in the UCLA and cal games as proof of our mighty offense disagreed with me. I think someone mentioned LSU’s success this year, but they aren’t running the air raid. They’re running the spread. We are never under center, which Joel Klatt pointed out is a problem and why the bad snap yesterday. The air raid doesn’t emphasize the run game and, as pointed out by Greg Katz, has never won a NC. This is too much like a WA St offense. That’s not SC. So many blinded by scoring on weak pac 12 teams. When tested against other power 5 programs, this offense doesn’t work.
     
  19. Esthersar

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    You keep missing the fact that there's no run game simply because they don't have the players. Why do you miss the obvious?
     
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    Earlier in the season, they had Stepp and I and many others were clamoring for them to use him more. They refused. We were successful running the ball when he played. Yesterday, they needed to commit to running the ball. Joel Klatt and Reggie Bush both said this. Iowa knew we were passing on every down so they dropped coverage, blitzed, and killed our QB. It’s not a question of not having the players. It’s a coaching issue that has existed throughout the season. It’s philosophical. As Klatt pointed out, they are a pass first team and the defenses that play us know this.
     
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