USC drops in the National rankings

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  1. gepetohong

    gepetohong Junior Member


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    There’s a chance we pass Iowa State up to #22 in CFP, they had a fairly poor outing at home vs. Kansas. Don’t see us moving up more than that.
     
  2. TrojanMoondoggie

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    Can someone explain this Sagarin ranking?

    It always seems to have us high when no one else seems to see it, or acknowledge it.

    This year, outside of ND, we have mainly played PAC12 teams. Of course. And even many of the posters on the USC board have made disparaging comments about the state of the PAC right now, even questioning the two who are supposed to be the "better" teams, Oregon and Utah.

    How do we generate the 4th toughest SOS in the nation when our conference, even by our own admission, is weak?
     
  3. USCAlumFightOn

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    Have you seen the out of conference schedules of most of the other teams? BYU and Fresno state are mid majors but they have some talent to have a puncher's chance. Most of the other teams play the sister of the poor for their OOC to put up 70 to zero scores.
     
  4. zitorocks

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    We play 9 conference games so that helps our SoS. SEC and ACC play 7 or 8 conference games and play mostly FCS opponents out of conference. That drags down their SoS. The other thing about the PAC is that there really aren't a lot of 1, 2, 3 win teams very often. Look at the records this season. Everyone is right around that .500 mark. So that bumps up the PAC as a whole, versus SEC where you can have a few teams with 1, 2, 3 wins total.
     
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    Any poll that has App State ranked above SC is a crappy poll. Does anyone here think that App State could beat SC? Doesn’t matter that they have only one loss.
     
  6. fssca51

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    The OP is correct.
    AP poll renk, Week 13, USC # 23

    " " " "" Week 14, USC #25
     
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    The OP is correct.
    AP poll renk, Week 13, USC # 23

    " " " " " Week 14, USC #25
     
  8. Gr8ythunter

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    Yeah ...... those are some powerhouses alright. They would improve anyone's SoS (well, .... maybe not)

    BYU - 7-4

    FSU - 4-7
     
  9. USCAlumFightOn

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    Thanks for catching that error. It was the CFP rankings that had USC at # 23 last week, not the AP. This week after the UCLA game they dropped USC to #25. The point of the OP still good, but cited wrong poll. Info from ESPN :
     
  11. TrojanHorse

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    better than most SEC OOC games...not even considering we add Notre Dame to that. SEC plays 8 conference with 4 OOC and usually 2-3 of those are not BCS teams
     
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    I've always liked Sagarin's as one of the best "computer" rankings. He has created an algorithm (more than one actually) to compare performance several layers down to measure SOS and likely outcomes on a neutral field between any two teams. It pays no attention to what human pollsters think-- and it eliminates any human bias that could develop after the season starts. It has some shortcomings also however. Don't think it considers an important injury for instance.

    Our conference is not weak. That is a human bias.
     
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    probably an honest mistake.
     
  14. Jay4usc

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    Dude we move up not down. What are you reading?
     
  15. Jay4usc

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    Maybe we would have less injuries if we scheduled similar opponents for OOC games
     
  16. USCAlumFightOn

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    No there was no drop. CFP rankings for this weeking haven't come out yet.
     
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    Our conference is weak because it doesn't recruit well. Weak teams playing each other doesn't equal strength.
     
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    Which ones?

    I honestly I think this is more of a lack of information on your part. SEC teams do typically play 1 FCS team. But most of them also play a very good rival out-of-conference like Clemson, Florida State, etc.

    And just because you don't personally keep up with teams like Georgia State, USM, UAB, Memphis, App State, etc doesn't mean they aren't "bcs" teams.

    We love to scream East Coast bias to mask our own ignorance.
     
  19. CoronaTrojanFan

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    Alabama's OOC games this year: Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Miss, Western Carolina (all Alabama home games with combined scores of 219-23). Alabama plays 8 home games and 4 road games (all road games in SEC) this year. I think tOSU actually played 9 home and 3 away a number of years ago before Rutgers and Maryland joined the Big10 meaning more conference games.

    Only redeeming value of this schedule is that Alabama can say that they most likely bankrolled 3 of those school's athletic programs for 2019-2020 seasons (which I don't think is used to calculate anything regarding their positions in the college football polls).

    With declining attendance at USC games, maybe UC Davis will want to cancel the planned future contest at the Coliseum for a more lucrative payday with an SEC or Big10 team more likely to have a sellout with a bigger cash prize for their loss.
     
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