Trojans drop in 247 rankings

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    Scalum76 Junior Member


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    It’s amazing to see the dramatic drop in the rankings by Trojan recruits especially the quarterbacks. Amazing for considering the virus and the fact that these players haven’t had a chance to camp at all, so why the drop? Is it just because their Trojan recruit commits?
     
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    They're always outstanding prospects, until they commit to be USC Trojans. History will keep repeating itself with these rankings.
     
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    These so called experts had Slovis ranked somewhere in the 700's. So that tells you something...
     
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    Even Korey Forman dropped to #3
     
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    I was never intimately involved with the rankings process at ESPN, but I worked closely with the guys who were. I’ve also spent a lot of time with the guys who do the rankings for 247. I can say without hesitation that they do not care where recruits are committed to when they do their rankings. They’ll definitely get to a recruit’s evaluation faster if they start picking up offers or commit to a Power 5 program, but they all trust their own evaluation process too much to be swayed by any commitment.

    For instance, there are some concerns about interceptions with Miller Moss, which caused some of his drop. I’m curious to see his numbers this year at Mater Dei, because I think it’s obvious that you have to at least consider taking into account the quality of an offensive line and surrounding skill talent when evaluating high school quarterbacks.

    I think it’s also been interesting to watch the evolution of rankings as it feels like more weight is placed on getting it right for the NFL Draft. I don’t think that’s a good thing, but I find it interesting when services now tout how many of their top guys went in the first round of the draft. As a result, I think we’re seeing a little more weight placed on guys ascending as they go through their senior years rather than guys who are great as sophomores and then continue at that same level. If evaluators feel like a guy can hit another level in college, that carries more weight than a guy who has maybe performed better in high school. I’m not saying this is what happened to USC commits, but it’s something to watch.
     
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    This is absurd. Thornton who most likely will land @ Or. slipped from #47 to #54

    Armitage moved up...from #203 to #197...he's very high on USC
    Savea moved up one spot to # 215
    Calvert did drop one spot to #73 ...anoth recruit that has USC very high
    Simon moved up from #111 to # 109
    Wiggins moved up to #123 from #124....also high on USC

    This " everybody is out to get USC " in any aspect of football is absurd.
     
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    " Dramatic drop " it's dramatic alright, but it's not the rankings.
     
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    I still see him @...#1
     
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    I'm going to use this thread to break down what I believe USC and Oregon will land.....
    Ya'll do the math and tell me which class is better.

    I simply took the consensus by most recruiting experts......here's what I found.

    Oregon........
    Thornton..............#54
    Sumataia..............#59
    Wright..................#72
    Davies..................#129
    Worthy................#175
    Ferguson.............#280
    K. Williams.........#312

    USC
    Foreman..........#1
    Calvert.............#73
    Wiggins...........#123
    Armitage.........#197
    Svaea..............#215
    Simmons.........#281
    Smith..............#291


     
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    While I understand that things are slow, especially with the pandemic and social injustice rioting and all, but why are we worried about where we stand in the beginning of June?
    We have an amazing class right now, top 10 in the nation, and all things look for us to remain in the top 10, and possibly top 5 with the addition of some elite top talent still left on the board.

    How about we just enjoy the run we have been on and hope this does not turn into another 2013 where we start off hot and fizzle out because our team did not know how to execute on the field.
     
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    Thanks for your input Erik, my issue at this point in time is with these drops by SC recruits which happened during this coronavirus where there are few if any camps going on, no way for scouts to see these players in action, how do they determine their precipitous fall, were their previous evaluations not very good, what determined a players ranking before and what determines it now without camps, high school practice or games etc?
     
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    When you see an SC lean move up a few spots, but other's drop dozens of spots, that's what I am talking about, look through history and this has been the pattern, I have been following SC football for 50 years, long before Rivals, 247sports etc. I used to get the old Street and Smith magazines back in the day. But look at the rankings, some SC leans move up a couple of spots, but other's drop many, many spots and it's usually the higher ranked kids that fall precipitously.
     
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    So basically players who appear to peak earlier (sophomore or freshman) Will be scrutinized more than a player who becomes a star as a junior?
     
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    I think that’s simplified, but maybe fair. Every situation is going to be different and there are cases where the big time sophomore really is that good and even though he seems physically maxed out as a senior, he’s good enough that it doesn’t matter.

    I do think “upside” is playing more of a role in rankings now, though I can’t honestly say how much of a role.
     
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    I honestly can’t answer that. The break has given the evaluators some time to go back over game film and make adjustments in their evals there. They’ve also been able to see a few events and workouts. There’s also just seeing how these guys have developed (height/weight) in photos and videos. But you’re right, I wouldn’t put a lot of stock into rankings adjustments right now. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but I’ll be watching much more carefully when it happens after the first 3-4 games of senior seasons. I think we could see a flurry of recruiting activity then and maybe some really big changes to rankings.
     
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    Erik. What Happened to California HS football? 1 guy Foreman ranked in the top 40 players? The State of Washington has 2? There are some good players don't get me wrong but after the top 30 it's a bit of a guess. Have the power schools like Mater Dei and Bosco's taken away from the depth of the State? What happened to schools like LB Poly, Servite, Orange Lutheran and SJV teams like Clovis West? even?
     
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    I think year to year you're going to see some fluctuation. This is a good year in California, but outside of Foreman, you're missing some elite players at a few positions. It's again good at quarterback, but that's always the case for California.

    But if you look at last year, you had a great year for talent in California, including three of the top 11 players in the nation.

    I'd be interesting in taking a look at whether so much talent gathering at two schools has had an effect on more players developing at other places--maybe they'd be better off playing more as sophomores rather than sitting behind established juniors and seniors. It seems like a plausible idea.
     
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