Time to Leave the Pac-12 TrojanManDan132 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 44 Likes Received: 34 Sep 16, 2020 #1 Time to move on from the soft Pac-12. Snowflake conference just holding us back. We can play a national schedule including 5 Pac-12 games like ND does with ACC. We can also go to NBC to see about a 3:30-4pm PST kickoff telecast following the ND game when both are at home. It's time. This BS has gone on long enough. Do it now! Trojan JST, cshen10 and gubo&palanka like this.
Time to move on from the soft Pac-12. Snowflake conference just holding us back. We can play a national schedule including 5 Pac-12 games like ND does with ACC. We can also go to NBC to see about a 3:30-4pm PST kickoff telecast following the ND game when both are at home. It's time. This BS has gone on long enough. Do it now!
KeenObserver Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 12,566 Likes Received: 18,713 Sep 16, 2020 #2 That ship left in 2009. We are on the dock with the city burning behind us. Trojan JST, cshen10, Trojack and 2 others like this.
usc1011 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,154 Likes Received: 640 Sep 16, 2020 #3 They cannot decide that Gomer is a lousy coach.......and this same group is going to decide to leave the pac 12. With Helton in charge if we played anybody but navy the record would be so poor no network would go near us. Our way out is obvious......get us a competent coach, allow our recruiting advantage to work several years, get good to excellent assistants.......print money from attendance and go to the playoffs regularly due to the weak sick pac 12. Win several Championships. Trojan JST and gubo&palanka like this.
They cannot decide that Gomer is a lousy coach.......and this same group is going to decide to leave the pac 12. With Helton in charge if we played anybody but navy the record would be so poor no network would go near us. Our way out is obvious......get us a competent coach, allow our recruiting advantage to work several years, get good to excellent assistants.......print money from attendance and go to the playoffs regularly due to the weak sick pac 12. Win several Championships.
ForwardUntoDawn Points Member Joined: Dec 18, 2019 Messages: 80 Likes Received: 96 Sep 16, 2020 #4 As they say nothing ventured nothing gained. There was a point where we stood among the Giants. We were The darlings of the best talent in the country, we were The darlings of the media, and you could walk into a shoe store in Alabama and find USC gear. But then Pete Carroll left and we chose comfort over risk. Instead of hiring a big name coach we went for a rookie coach that used to work at the program. After that didn't work out we basically did the same thing again. Then after that didn't work out we did the same thing a third time but he was a current employee so it was a little bit different I guess? When we have the chance to go play with Texas and Oklahoma in the big 12. We chose to sit out realignment because we were fat and comfortable. And now after years of mediocrity no longer can you find USC gear and that small store in Alabama. No longer do we stand among the Giants. If we had an administration that cared about football and put the program in the best position to succeed Independence could work. But we don't have that. We would have little to no difficulty scheduling game but we wouldn't have the viewership to justify leaving the pac-12. Trojan JST and gubo&palanka like this.
As they say nothing ventured nothing gained. There was a point where we stood among the Giants. We were The darlings of the best talent in the country, we were The darlings of the media, and you could walk into a shoe store in Alabama and find USC gear. But then Pete Carroll left and we chose comfort over risk. Instead of hiring a big name coach we went for a rookie coach that used to work at the program. After that didn't work out we basically did the same thing again. Then after that didn't work out we did the same thing a third time but he was a current employee so it was a little bit different I guess? When we have the chance to go play with Texas and Oklahoma in the big 12. We chose to sit out realignment because we were fat and comfortable. And now after years of mediocrity no longer can you find USC gear and that small store in Alabama. No longer do we stand among the Giants. If we had an administration that cared about football and put the program in the best position to succeed Independence could work. But we don't have that. We would have little to no difficulty scheduling game but we wouldn't have the viewership to justify leaving the pac-12.
wyotrojans Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 483 Likes Received: 342 Sep 17, 2020 #5 It pains me to say this but USC fits perfectly in the soft Pac 12. There’s a bunch of politicians at the top protecting their jobs instead of doing their jobs. Pathetic Trojan JST and gubo&palanka like this.
It pains me to say this but USC fits perfectly in the soft Pac 12. There’s a bunch of politicians at the top protecting their jobs instead of doing their jobs. Pathetic
Trojack Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 992 Likes Received: 845 Sep 17, 2020 #6 How are you going to do that from the Mountain West Conference because that's about the only conference that will have us in our present state. Do you think anybody sees us as the big dog in town anymore? We aren't even the biggest dog in our own kennel. As an independent, we "might" get a look from KCOP. The time to have done that came and went 15 years ago. Trojan JST and gubo&palanka like this.
How are you going to do that from the Mountain West Conference because that's about the only conference that will have us in our present state. Do you think anybody sees us as the big dog in town anymore? We aren't even the biggest dog in our own kennel. As an independent, we "might" get a look from KCOP. The time to have done that came and went 15 years ago.
SC87 Points Member Joined: Sep 3, 2019 Messages: 284 Likes Received: 251 Sep 17, 2020 #7 I'm torn. There are some obvious advantages to remaining in the conference but the latest fiasco has demonstrated that the PAC leadership is in a shambles. They are like a child waiting for the adults to make a decision for them. It's embarrassing. Why not just let the BIG 10 become the head of the PAC since they make all the relevant decisions? gubo&palanka likes this.
I'm torn. There are some obvious advantages to remaining in the conference but the latest fiasco has demonstrated that the PAC leadership is in a shambles. They are like a child waiting for the adults to make a decision for them. It's embarrassing. Why not just let the BIG 10 become the head of the PAC since they make all the relevant decisions?
silversprint Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 410 Likes Received: 270 Sep 17, 2020 #8 This isn't Nebraska. USC isn't going to leave an academic conference for football. Specially with the current environment where college students will soon be able to siphon some of that money from the school with Name and Likeness deals. The party is over. Football is not that relevant at USC anymore and becoming less so every year. USC is trying to be Harvard, not Alabama. In 15 years we may be playing in the Ivy league instead of National Championships. billsb1970 and gubo&palanka like this.
This isn't Nebraska. USC isn't going to leave an academic conference for football. Specially with the current environment where college students will soon be able to siphon some of that money from the school with Name and Likeness deals. The party is over. Football is not that relevant at USC anymore and becoming less so every year. USC is trying to be Harvard, not Alabama. In 15 years we may be playing in the Ivy league instead of National Championships.
KeenObserver Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 12,566 Likes Received: 18,713 Sep 17, 2020 #9 Becoming like Harvard is a fool's errand. Harvard has become insular, it has completely diluted its student talent through its "diversity efforts" Schools like Alabama and Georgia are becoming far more robust learning environments and is getting north and west coast talent bleeds. Remember the term "University" universal, holistic--an entire school experience to foster well-rounded adults. Does Harvard offer that now? I agree with what you said on a factual basis, however I disagree with you that its is a good thing. You never throw out the baby with the bath water and you do not ignore who took you to the dance. BTW, We will never have the cache of the Ivy League (even if it's an illusion) or even Stanford for that matter. SC should have realized its strengths before selling out to the globalist vision of Max. It was an ego move with no path to winning. cshen10 likes this.
Becoming like Harvard is a fool's errand. Harvard has become insular, it has completely diluted its student talent through its "diversity efforts" Schools like Alabama and Georgia are becoming far more robust learning environments and is getting north and west coast talent bleeds. Remember the term "University" universal, holistic--an entire school experience to foster well-rounded adults. Does Harvard offer that now? I agree with what you said on a factual basis, however I disagree with you that its is a good thing. You never throw out the baby with the bath water and you do not ignore who took you to the dance. BTW, We will never have the cache of the Ivy League (even if it's an illusion) or even Stanford for that matter. SC should have realized its strengths before selling out to the globalist vision of Max. It was an ego move with no path to winning.
billsb1970 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 511 Likes Received: 465 Sep 18, 2020 #10 Country Club Haden and Kikias turned the athletic department into Pansey U. It will take time for Bohn and Folt to get us back to being an elite University both academically and athletically.
Country Club Haden and Kikias turned the athletic department into Pansey U. It will take time for Bohn and Folt to get us back to being an elite University both academically and athletically.
