The Teachers’ Unions Will Shoot Their Hostages

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  1. The Teachers’ Unions Will Shoot Their Hostages
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    The Teachers’ Unions Will Shoot Their Hostages
    Increasingly bizarre demands aim to prevent any return to school
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    Washington Free Beacon Editors - July 31, 2020 11:30 AM

    https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/the-teachers-unions-wont-release-their-hostages/?utm_source=actengage&utm_campaign=FreedomMail&utm_medium=email

    For America's kids and parents, the reopening of schools in coming weeks is a source of fear and frustration. For teachers' unions, always claiming to "put the kids first," it's another opportunity for politicking.

    On Tuesday evening, just before a slated speech by presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden, American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten announced that the national union would back strikes by local members objecting to inadequate health and safety standards. That threat marks progress insofar as a strike would see teachers forgo pay if they abstain from work, the same choice facing many other Americans.

    We do not begrudge teachers the right to negotiate a safe work environment. But teachers' unions like the AFT have gone beyond calling for increased safety measures which, even if adopted, would not satisfy their demands for a zero-risk environment. The Durham Association of Educators has demanded Medicare for All and "direct income support regardless of immigration status" before their members go back to work. United Teachers Los Angeles also wants Medicare for All, the defunding of the LAPD, and a nationwide wealth tax before Angelino teachers return to the classroom.

    Next week, several major unions will participate in a mass protest. Their goal? Those ostensibly concerned about safety in schools will demand the removal of public safety officers from their hallways.

    These demands have nothing to do with the coronavirus or even education more broadly. They have everything to do with the unions' cozy relationship with the Democratic Party's activist wing. The AFT routinely donates millions of dollars—98 percent of its political spending—to Democrats, the same party that has repeatedly used the coronavirus as negotiating leverage in Congress.

    Given their political attitude, it's little surprise that, according to a Department of Education spokesman, the unions are more focused on striking than on coming to the table to determine how to reopen schools safely.

    The rush to play politics puts the unions at odds with the millions of essential workers who have continued to do their part, including the thousands of doctors working around the clock to save lives. America's physicians have never threatened to go on strike, perhaps because they're not accustomed to the bare-knuckle tactics Weingarten and her allies deploy.

    Frontline doctors don't have the luxury of working remotely, either, while teachers imagine they do. Why is it then, as the New York Times reports, that teachers' unions oppose both going back to work and teaching online?

    Parents are trapped: Polling shows that many fear their child being infected, but also the developmental setbacks and lost income that would come with another year of remote learning—fears disproportionately reported by minority and poor or middle-class parents. According to CDC director Robert Redfield, social isolation and deprivation might be killing even more of our high schoolers through drugs and suicide than the coronavirus has.

    Just nine months ago Pete Buttigieg stood on a debate stage in Houston and, to wild applause, declared that the United States needs to "respect teachers the way we do soldiers and pay them more like the way we do doctors" if we want "the results we expect."

    But when the virus came, our soldiers didn’t abandon the country, and our doctors didn’t abandon the sick. If we want to get the results we expect, parents will need to break the unions.
     
       
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    Talk is all you get...do it for the children's future has been the decades long mantra of liberal left radical education groups seeking school bond, after school bond after school bond that all produced lower students test results, no reduction in drop outs, revision of text books to reflect S.J.W., LGBTQ, anti christian, anti American history and pro socialist ideologies.

    Year after year of bonds after bonds to make education great again delivered nothing but fatter educational system paychecks and perks, along with, more power and money for their dictatorial government employee union.

    I am still in awe that so many citizens seem to have fallen into the "Sheeple' herd without a thought! If you are hit in the face ten times by the kitchen door...you remove the f-----g door!...forever!
     
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    A women run organization that hates children and America. Aren't women the self-designated keepers of the flame for our children? Why are they killing children in more ways than one? Teachers Unions are the scourge of our country and if not broken apart by an executive order they will kill this country from the inside. Disgusting.
     
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    Aug 1, 2020 at 11:43 AM
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    This is the behavior and truth about the education system that ends up destroying the great teachers who truly want to educate and not indoctrinate. Defending the good teachers caught up in this garbage can mess of indoctrination in lieu of education is a noble cause that goes nowhere.

    Results can only be obtained by breaking the back of the over the top educational scam that produces zero results and strengthens government worker unions, while at the same time giving parents the option to have their children educated instead of indoctrinated by being able to direct the money now spent per child in public education to the approved parochial, private, special education, charter, magnet. or public school system of their choice with no interference from any government entity in making that choice.

    Simply put, a well thought out voucher system that rewards the proven achievers in educational performance while washing out the lazy do nothing educators who have counted on their tenured status and their corrupted unions to protect them from non performance and their waste of resources, seems to be the easiest and most expedient method of education reform. The tax payer owns the school infrastructure of building, playgrounds, vehicles, sports facilities etc. and these can easily be leased or loaned to other educational entities that would immediately shame the unionized public education system into non existence. The only way for the then government run public education system to survive would be to out perform their competition. Now that would be something to see!
     
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    Aug 1, 2020 at 11:45 AM
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    Get ready for the fireworks because that's where we are going. It's going to be epic.
     
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    Aug 1, 2020 at 12:12 PM
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    Hahaa....it’d be quicker than Air Traffic Controllers under Reagan!
     
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    The only things vouchers will "fix" is they will give some parents an option to move their kids to a different school, and I'm fine with that.

    But it isn't going to fix the problem facing public schools.

    I do agree that more teachers need to vote conservative, regardless of what the unions are telling them.

    There are conservative teachers in these unions who will be the first to grouse about a lot of the problems facing public education. But not unlike conservatives in other unionized fields, how much are they going to accomplish by speaking out against that union besides shooting themselves in the foot. The problems will still exist, and they will put themselves on the "outs" with the union. What you need is teachers, in mass, to start voting conservative. But unfortunately this isn't going to happen either. Because you still have a lot of teachers who are just liberal, just like there are liberals in every profession, for reasons that go beyond their job.

    Unfortunately these liberal teachers who vote for Democrats are just shooting themselves in the foot too. Teachers will gripe about the difficulties they have in classroom management because their hands are tied.....because words like "detention," "suspension," and, God forbid, "expulsion" are bad words. This warm fuzzy approach to discipline that focuses on gold stars and no losers is not helping this situation. But this is coming from the ivory towers of "education." Hell, when I was teaching I felt that even the people at the DO were out of touch. Many of them hadn't been in a classroom in years, if ever.

    It's just this vicious cycle. And there are way more kids coming to teachers now who have no social skills, no structure, etc.

    I will have to admit though that as one who was in an inner city school for over a decade, there really is no easy answer. Because there are too many factors involved, many of which teachers have no control over. Detentions are like a badge of honor to kids. When I was a kid, having my name on the board, or standing on the wall at recess was totally embarrassing. As it was to most kids. Suspensions? Forget about it. Kid gets to go home for a couple of days, to no consequences? Kids have no fear. So even when we do have these things in place, they really do no good.

    The child has to come to you with some semblance of values. Boundaries. Consequences. Structure. When they don't, it's very difficult to get buy in from them as a student. And when you do have to call home, and you get no support from home, it's even more difficult. Nowadays, kids just don't fear a detention or suspension any more than they care about a D on their report card. And they don't fear their teachers, or the system, because they don't fear their parents. Or the police. Or anyone else. And God knows we had our fair share of lockdowns and police having to come to our campus for other reasons.

    This is all a result of a highly liberal society in which we live. And it doesn't stop and start when a kid walks into a classroom.

    I will admit that there is a systemic problem in public education. But is it all about the teachers? No. You think all the teachers at those glorious charter and private schools you're taking your kids to are conservative? No. If teachers are the problem, they should be the problem everywhere right? But somehow there are plenty of schools, even publics, that are doing fine. It's all about the environment folks.

    A case in point, my friend's friend graduated from UCLA with her degree and credential. She worked for a couple of years at an inner city school and ended up on the "ineffective" teacher list that the Times, or whoever, put out. Because of test scores, I guess. When she transferred to a school in OC, she was named teacher of the year her first year there. I'm sure her test scores were great too.

    How do you go from "ineffective" to "teacher of the year" in one year? When you're doing the same things instructionally, and surrounding your kiddos with the same innovative projects and experiences you were in that troubled school. She was the shining star at her new school. And she was the same person who had been "ineffective" the year before. She changed nothing except for increasing the level of rigor, because she could. It's all about environment.

    Suffice it to say, if you drop one of those teachers from that charter or private school that you praise into an inner city environment, you think they are going to like it? Nope. And they'll probably find themselves on the "ineffective" list too.

    Similarly, if you take a random sampling of 100 students from that inner city school and drop them into that charter school, you think the school will still look good on paper? It will change too. Not to mention the teachers who will now be griping about these challenging kids they have to deal with now.

    Nope, not an easy answer. And not as clear cut as some want to think.

    While I know this may come off as a defense of teachers...and it is....overall. But I will also say that this doesn't mean I support teachers who are truly ineffective, because I agree, they should not be tenured. This is simply a narrative to explain the other reality that's going on out there, and unfortunately there is no magical panacea out there to fix it. And it's not all about one culprit.
     
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    I read every word you wrote but only wanted to quote this last part for simplification.

    Basically what you said is what we all think, it's broken and just too complicated to fix in a term or 4. This in a nutshell is what Trump has faced since the moment he was elected. Every established agency in this country was against him...even those that generally want a President from the GOP. The thing is Trump isn't GOP or Democrat he just has more in common at this stage with the GOP.

    In the private sector, turnaround, which what I did for sometime involved a chainsaw, flamethrower and suit of armor....and noise canceling headphones. This needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. We're behind the world and falling every year. Money is not solving it.

    Chainsaw, flamethrower and headphones.
     
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    Happy my son is long out of school and no longer are living in California. Everything has just turned to muck in California.
     
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    No kidding. My children were homeschooled most of their lives for this very reason, and did very well in college.
     
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    Got d to hear, my boy has now achieved his Doctorate in of all things, American Ethnomusicology, or is a Dr of the blues.

    He is happy and supports himself YEA
     
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    Exactly my point! I just feel that vouchers is the easiest first step that will dismantle or completely rehabilitate the public school system. It is always, "Follow the Money and Power Attained" when dealing with entrenched corrupt agencies of any kind.

    If the rioting "peaceful protestors" had their asses handed to them by a massive show of force and incarceration, they would lose their power to create chaos.

    If all the government agencies were placed on a merit system for garnering additional tax payer money to cover raises and improvements when their budgets rolled around, we would see a massive drop in the cost of running government.

    If the guaranteed to never be fired for poor performance and golden parachute retirement guarantees that are ludicrous, were removed and government workers must rely on 401K's, retirement accounts and other means of retirement like the rest of the citizens do, we might see fewer lazy deadbeats in government positions.

    Frankly, I am really tired of the poor, misunderstood, dedicated teacher syndrome that accomplishes nothing to fix the education problem except to wring their hands and utter quietly their message of capitulation.
     
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    Too bad that was 27 years ago and not now...
     
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    LAUSD said the only people guaranteed to benefit from children returning to schools were billionaires and the pols they've bought off. This got me thinking:
    - Shouldn't we be able to identify all of the billionaires, by name, who live in LA County?
    - Couldn't we then interview and analyze each one of them to see exactly how they benefit from public schools being opened?
    -Could we also not analyze public and tax records to see where their donations are going and which politicians they "own"?
     
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    Aug 2, 2020 at 11:46 AM
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    Your comments are exactly what is needed by all parents of school age children. These comments along with the "in your face failing public school data" is what the public needs to be informed of what is really happening in the realm of education turned into biased special interest indoctrination.

    Please clone yourself immediately!
     
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    I won't be of much help, I'm afraid. My kids go to a Catholic school here in Virginia.
     
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