The Class We Wanted.... USC73 Gerry Gumser Active Member Joined: Sep 21, 2018 Messages: 33 Likes Received: 41 Dec 19, 2018 #1 I'm going to steal someone's quote off FB who said "this may not be the class we wanted, but perhaps it's the class we needed" It may not be our typical class of 4 and 5 star recruits only, but hopefully it will have a bunch of blue collar guys that along with the talent this team already possesses, will be a team to get us back on track.........along of course with the coaching changes. I for one am very optimistic......but then again that's what Fight On should mean. USC15, CCTrojans, Jose and 5 others like this.
I'm going to steal someone's quote off FB who said "this may not be the class we wanted, but perhaps it's the class we needed" It may not be our typical class of 4 and 5 star recruits only, but hopefully it will have a bunch of blue collar guys that along with the talent this team already possesses, will be a team to get us back on track.........along of course with the coaching changes. I for one am very optimistic......but then again that's what Fight On should mean.
Coeur Points Member Joined: Oct 25, 2018 Messages: 399 Likes Received: 164 Dec 19, 2018 #2 No I think Washington and Oregon are sharing a good part of the class I wanted BlueBlood, TrojanEddie, Kaptain Karl and 2 others like this.
USC92 Points Member Joined: Sep 10, 2017 Messages: 542 Likes Received: 375 Dec 19, 2018 #3 I don’t think this was the class the staff wanted either given all the players they went after and lost (Funa, Jonah T, Rhyan, etc). But, we can say all we want about 3-stars that work, but if Helton struggled winning games with HIS 4 and 5 star recruits last year there’s no reason for me to believe he’s going to win with a less talented roster this year. BlueBlood, Hockey10, uscjrl98 and 1 other person like this.
I don’t think this was the class the staff wanted either given all the players they went after and lost (Funa, Jonah T, Rhyan, etc). But, we can say all we want about 3-stars that work, but if Helton struggled winning games with HIS 4 and 5 star recruits last year there’s no reason for me to believe he’s going to win with a less talented roster this year.
GoSC27! Points Member Joined: Sep 30, 2017 Messages: 3,832 Likes Received: 3,787 Dec 19, 2018 #4 Let’s wait for spring practice so we can practice in shells and shorts because we have no depth at Oline and we don’t want to risk injury. This would be the third year this could happen! Fight On! BlueBlood, Hockey10, Kaptain Karl and 4 others like this.
Let’s wait for spring practice so we can practice in shells and shorts because we have no depth at Oline and we don’t want to risk injury. This would be the third year this could happen! Fight On!
USC 1995 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 20 Likes Received: 42 Dec 20, 2018 #5 Sorry, love the optimism but this what UCLA says. Your comment is flat out quitting. Sorry, but what a joke that we are stoked that we stole players from New Mexico and Georgia Tech. embarrassing that you are accepting this crap. Hockey10 and uscjrl98 like this.
Sorry, love the optimism but this what UCLA says. Your comment is flat out quitting. Sorry, but what a joke that we are stoked that we stole players from New Mexico and Georgia Tech. embarrassing that you are accepting this crap.
RB4SC Points Member Joined: Sep 18, 2017 Messages: 638 Likes Received: 1,159 Dec 20, 2018 #6 Respectfully, the "accepting this crap" part is...WHAT ELSE are we, as FANS and Board Jockies supposed to do? I can scream all I want, I can pound my keyboard all I want and NOTHING will change regarding the 2018 season/cycle...sorry, but that's REALITY. Now we need to WELCOME the new Trojans and PRAY for change, growth, and a new PURPOSE and direction for this USC Football Program...yes, I said it...PRAY for it...it's connected to the first part of FFF! :-) Fight On, FOREVER, Fight On! RB4SC mvpreed2, USC73 Gerry Gumser and CCTrojans like this.
Respectfully, the "accepting this crap" part is...WHAT ELSE are we, as FANS and Board Jockies supposed to do? I can scream all I want, I can pound my keyboard all I want and NOTHING will change regarding the 2018 season/cycle...sorry, but that's REALITY. Now we need to WELCOME the new Trojans and PRAY for change, growth, and a new PURPOSE and direction for this USC Football Program...yes, I said it...PRAY for it...it's connected to the first part of FFF! :-) Fight On, FOREVER, Fight On! RB4SC
Jay4usc Points Member Joined: Jan 10, 2018 Messages: 3,202 Likes Received: 3,381 Dec 20, 2018 #7 Don’t forget we are very short with DBs. We have 2 coming of a shoulder injuries and I’m confident they will not be hitting. Therefore who will play at the safety positions?
Don’t forget we are very short with DBs. We have 2 coming of a shoulder injuries and I’m confident they will not be hitting. Therefore who will play at the safety positions?
sc.z.dc Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 86 Likes Received: 61 Dec 20, 2018 #8 id gladly take a 3* recruit. but my concern is not the ability of a 3* to develop, but in our coaching staff's ability to develop them. Hockey10 and cheynaspop like this.
id gladly take a 3* recruit. but my concern is not the ability of a 3* to develop, but in our coaching staff's ability to develop them.
SoCalN8tiv Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 15,044 Likes Received: 18,196 Dec 21, 2018 #9 That is the concern but maybe not. New OC, DL, DB, RB coaches plus Drevno taking control of the OL. LB coach is Nansen; that's good. Those are all the most critical areas for player development. WR coach is Colbert; that's the unknown. All those coaches except for Colbert have the experience and proven ability to develop players. Now Clay has to allow his coaches to coach and stick to managing the team. Maybe things aren't that bad. I don't think Clay Helton can get away with no-pads practices anymore. There will be hell to pay if he even considers soft practices. It's up to Swann and Helton's coaching staff to keep the fire under his seat lit. sc.z.dc likes this.
That is the concern but maybe not. New OC, DL, DB, RB coaches plus Drevno taking control of the OL. LB coach is Nansen; that's good. Those are all the most critical areas for player development. WR coach is Colbert; that's the unknown. All those coaches except for Colbert have the experience and proven ability to develop players. Now Clay has to allow his coaches to coach and stick to managing the team. Maybe things aren't that bad. I don't think Clay Helton can get away with no-pads practices anymore. There will be hell to pay if he even considers soft practices. It's up to Swann and Helton's coaching staff to keep the fire under his seat lit.
HelixTrojan Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,575 Likes Received: 3,126 Dec 21, 2018 #10 No, it's not the Early Signing Day class SC envisioned back in August. But when you finish 5-7 and have major coaching turnover, including the departure of two of the best recruiters ....it had to be expected. When Udeze, Martin, Callaway, Bradford and others were fired/departed, any chance with recruits who liked those coaches - OL Sean Rhyan, DL Stephon Wright, DB Trent McDuffie, etc. - departed too. That's just the recruiting game when there are major changes - a program takes a step backward in the short term on the recruiting trail, in the hopes of taking two steps forward on the field the following year. AND this recruiting class ain't done yet - the traditional signing day in February still has some prospects SC needs and has the opportunity to sign. IF SC closes on most, if not all of the following, by early Feb. * OL Enokk Vimahi * DB Chris Steele * DL Matthew Pola Mao * WR Bru McCoy * RB Jordan Wilmore * DB Noa Pola Gates * WR Kyle Ford ... this 2019 class will be a lot better than folks say it looks right now. Last edited: Dec 21, 2018 ClovisTroy, USC15, Trojan Man 30 and 4 others like this.
No, it's not the Early Signing Day class SC envisioned back in August. But when you finish 5-7 and have major coaching turnover, including the departure of two of the best recruiters ....it had to be expected. When Udeze, Martin, Callaway, Bradford and others were fired/departed, any chance with recruits who liked those coaches - OL Sean Rhyan, DL Stephon Wright, DB Trent McDuffie, etc. - departed too. That's just the recruiting game when there are major changes - a program takes a step backward in the short term on the recruiting trail, in the hopes of taking two steps forward on the field the following year. AND this recruiting class ain't done yet - the traditional signing day in February still has some prospects SC needs and has the opportunity to sign. IF SC closes on most, if not all of the following, by early Feb. * OL Enokk Vimahi * DB Chris Steele * DL Matthew Pola Mao * WR Bru McCoy * RB Jordan Wilmore * DB Noa Pola Gates * WR Kyle Ford ... this 2019 class will be a lot better than folks say it looks right now.
old scotty Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 15,705 Likes Received: 18,787 Dec 21, 2018 #11 Half.of the above would be fine with me, especially one more OL. Mc Coy Md Ford alone would change my mind a bit Pudly76 likes this.
Half.of the above would be fine with me, especially one more OL. Mc Coy Md Ford alone would change my mind a bit
Pudly76 Points Member Joined: Jan 31, 2018 Messages: 1,608 Likes Received: 1,666 Dec 21, 2018 #12 Surprised that you don’t have Puka Nakua listed here. Not interested in him, or do you think he’s going elsewhere?
Surprised that you don’t have Puka Nakua listed here. Not interested in him, or do you think he’s going elsewhere?
Hockey10 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 771 Likes Received: 909 Dec 21, 2018 #13 Puka sounds like a receiver that would excel in KK's offense. Everything I have read about him says he is excels at YAC. Sure handed and catches everything thrown his way. I really hope we still recruit this kid. He is the WR I want most. uscjrl98, Dr. Duke and Pudly76 like this.
Puka sounds like a receiver that would excel in KK's offense. Everything I have read about him says he is excels at YAC. Sure handed and catches everything thrown his way. I really hope we still recruit this kid. He is the WR I want most.
HelixTrojan Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,575 Likes Received: 3,126 Dec 21, 2018 #14 Add WR Puka Nacua and OT Dawand Jones to the list of recruits still in play for February. Trojan Man 30 and Pudly76 like this.
Pudly76 Points Member Joined: Jan 31, 2018 Messages: 1,608 Likes Received: 1,666 Dec 21, 2018 #15 That’s what I’m talking about. Everyone wants change, but no one wants to pay for it. It would have been a much bleaker signing day if they’d have had a wholesale housecleaning as some wanted. They can change more next year and still have a good class as long as the team shows a positive result. CrownoftheValley likes this.
That’s what I’m talking about. Everyone wants change, but no one wants to pay for it. It would have been a much bleaker signing day if they’d have had a wholesale housecleaning as some wanted. They can change more next year and still have a good class as long as the team shows a positive result.
wyotrojans Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 483 Likes Received: 342 Dec 23, 2018 #16 Yep that’s the recruiting game when your head coach sucks and the AD is forced to clean house. It’s a shame we lost Udeze and Martin through all of this. Those two guys could recruit.
Yep that’s the recruiting game when your head coach sucks and the AD is forced to clean house. It’s a shame we lost Udeze and Martin through all of this. Those two guys could recruit.
Pudly76 Points Member Joined: Jan 31, 2018 Messages: 1,608 Likes Received: 1,666 Dec 23, 2018 #17 I know this will be an unpopular statement for most, but I feel compelled to put it out here anyway.. but before I do, I’d like to preface it by saying that I wished we’d have retained BKU. That said, I don’t think that Tuitele (HI), or Ika or even Wright we’re trending towards the Trojans even with BKU. While many recruits liked him, and some very much, even Drake was starting to trend towards asu. His leaving didn’t have that great an effect as some believe. What’s your opinion Helix???
I know this will be an unpopular statement for most, but I feel compelled to put it out here anyway.. but before I do, I’d like to preface it by saying that I wished we’d have retained BKU. That said, I don’t think that Tuitele (HI), or Ika or even Wright we’re trending towards the Trojans even with BKU. While many recruits liked him, and some very much, even Drake was starting to trend towards asu. His leaving didn’t have that great an effect as some believe. What’s your opinion Helix???
TrojanInSF Points Member Joined: Sep 10, 2017 Messages: 793 Likes Received: 873 Dec 23, 2018 #18 This. The glaring failure of this class is on the OL. Missing out on Jonah and Sean R. is big, no doubt about it (Vimahi is 100% a must-get). But if we get 5 out of those 7, we'll finish somewhere in the 10-15 range, and I can live with that. Year after year we have closed really strong in February, and until "NSD" comes to pass I'll withhold judgment on our recruiting class. I'm also more optimistic than most on a few of the 3* guys we've signed. And for the moment, I'll take a high-character 3* over a prima donna 4*/5* player. The # of those kids who have flamed out of the program over the last 5 years is wild. The Vavae Malepeai, Jordan Iosefa, Jalen McKenzie's...I'll take those 3* kids any day. CrownoftheValley likes this.
This. The glaring failure of this class is on the OL. Missing out on Jonah and Sean R. is big, no doubt about it (Vimahi is 100% a must-get). But if we get 5 out of those 7, we'll finish somewhere in the 10-15 range, and I can live with that. Year after year we have closed really strong in February, and until "NSD" comes to pass I'll withhold judgment on our recruiting class. I'm also more optimistic than most on a few of the 3* guys we've signed. And for the moment, I'll take a high-character 3* over a prima donna 4*/5* player. The # of those kids who have flamed out of the program over the last 5 years is wild. The Vavae Malepeai, Jordan Iosefa, Jalen McKenzie's...I'll take those 3* kids any day.
HelixTrojan Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,575 Likes Received: 3,126 Dec 23, 2018 #19 Well, it's still to be determined how much BKU leaving will affect the class. He felt it was time to leave, and you can only respect what he's done as a player and coach. He is a great Trojan. Recruits like Tuitele and Ika were never really in play for SC. But Stephon Wright came down to SC and ASU - so there was a real chance there. Plus, a commitment by Drake Jackson is never a question, and Matthew Pola Mao may have already signed by now, if BKU is still on the case. So all in all, I can't classify BKU leaving as a positive or having no effect. Hopefully by early February, SC will have made the best of things, and lessened any effects of the coaching turnover. CrownoftheValley, Pudly76 and spintojoe like this.
Well, it's still to be determined how much BKU leaving will affect the class. He felt it was time to leave, and you can only respect what he's done as a player and coach. He is a great Trojan. Recruits like Tuitele and Ika were never really in play for SC. But Stephon Wright came down to SC and ASU - so there was a real chance there. Plus, a commitment by Drake Jackson is never a question, and Matthew Pola Mao may have already signed by now, if BKU is still on the case. So all in all, I can't classify BKU leaving as a positive or having no effect. Hopefully by early February, SC will have made the best of things, and lessened any effects of the coaching turnover.
mvpreed2 Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 1,873 Likes Received: 1,307 Dec 23, 2018 #20 This is USC, where the expectations for us have been set long ago. The 4* and 5* recruits are expected, and some "lesser" recruits are welcome as well, but we still expect certain things to happen here. Regardless of who the coach is here, we all know what we expect to have simply by being USC. With that being said, this is not an early indication of what we expect to come to USC in terms of recruiting. As others have mentioned, the race is not over and until the ink is dry on all of the LOIs, I will continue to sit back and watch as things unfold and this new revamped USC staff is able to repair and mend relationships with these prospects to get them to USC. Fight On! CrownoftheValley likes this.
This is USC, where the expectations for us have been set long ago. The 4* and 5* recruits are expected, and some "lesser" recruits are welcome as well, but we still expect certain things to happen here. Regardless of who the coach is here, we all know what we expect to have simply by being USC. With that being said, this is not an early indication of what we expect to come to USC in terms of recruiting. As others have mentioned, the race is not over and until the ink is dry on all of the LOIs, I will continue to sit back and watch as things unfold and this new revamped USC staff is able to repair and mend relationships with these prospects to get them to USC. Fight On!