The Brits have it Spot On!

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  1. The Brits have it Spot On!
    Troianus Acies

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    Oxford rebukes black activists .

    The letter (below) is a response from Oxford University to black students attending as Rhodes Scholars who demand the university removes the statue of Oxford Benefactor, Cecil Rhodes.

    Interestingly, Chris Patten (Lord Patten of Barnes), The Chancellor of Oxford University, was on the Today Programme on BBC Radio 4 on precisely the same topic. The Daily Telegraph headline yesterday was "Oxford will not rewrite history".

    Lord Patten commented: “Education is not indoctrination. Our history is not a blank page on which we can write our own version of what it should have been according to our contemporary views and prejudice.”



    "Dear Scrotty Students,

    Cecil Rhodes's generous bequest has contributed greatly to the comfort and well being of many generations of Oxford students - a good many of them, dare we say it, better, brighter and more deserving than you.

    This does not necessarily mean we approve of everything Rhodes did in his lifetime - but then we don't have to. Cecil Rhodes died over a century ago. Autres temps, autres moeurs. If you don't understand what this means - and it would not remotely surprise us if that were the case - then we really think you should ask yourself the question: "Why am I at Oxford?"

    Oxford, let us remind you, is the world's second oldest extant
    university. Scholars have been studying here since at least the 11th century. We've played a major part in the invention of Western civilization, from the 12th century intellectual renaissance through the Enlightenment and beyond. Our alumni include William of Ockham, Roger Bacon, William Tyndale, John Donne, Sir Walter Raleigh, Erasmus, Sir Christopher Wren, William Penn, Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA), Samuel Johnson, Robert Hooke, William Morris, Oscar Wilde, Emily Davison,
    Cardinal Newman, Julie Cocks. We're a big deal. And most of the people privileged to come and study here are conscious of what a big deal we are. Oxford is their alma mater - their dear mother - and they respect and revere her accordingly.

    And what were your ancestors doing in that period? Living in mud huts, mainly. Sure we'll concede you the short lived Southern African civilization of Great Zimbabwe. But let's be brutally honest here. The contribution of the Bantu tribes to modern civilization has been as near as damn it to zilch.

    You'll probably say that's "racist". But it's what we here at Oxford prefer to call "true." Perhaps the rules are different at other universities. In fact, we know things are different at other
    universities. We've watched with horror at what has been happening across the pond from the University of Missouri to the University of Virginia and even to revered institutions like Harvard and Yale: the "safe spaces"; the? #?blacklivesmatter; the creeping cultural relativism; the stifling political correctness; what Allan Bloom rightly called "the closing of the American mind". At Oxford however, we will always prefer facts and free, open debate to petty grievance-mongering, identity politics and empty sloganeering. The day we cease to do so is the day we lose the right to call ourselves the world's greatest university.

    Of course, you are perfectly within your rights to squander your time at Oxford on silly, vexatious, single-issue political campaigns. (Though it does make us wonder how stringent the vetting procedure is these days for Rhodes scholarships and even more so, for Mandela Rhodes scholarships) We are well used to seeing undergraduates - or, in your case - postgraduates, making idiots of themselves. Just don't expect us to indulge your idiocy, let alone genuflect before it. You may be black - "BME" as the grisly modern terminology has it - but we are colour blind We have been educating gifted undergraduates from our former colonies, our Empire, our Commonwealth and beyond for many generations. We do not discriminate over sex, race, colour or creed. We do, however, discriminate according to intellect.

    That means, inter alia, that when our undergrads or postgrads come up with fatuous ideas, we don't pat them on the back, give them a red rosette and say: "Ooh, you're black and you come from South Africa. What a clever chap you are!" No. We prefer to see the quality of those ideas tested in the crucible of public debate. That's another key part of the Oxford intellectual tradition you see: you can argue any damn thing you like but you need to be able to justify it with facts and logic - otherwise your idea is worthless.

    This ludicrous notion you have that a bronze statue of Cecil Rhodes should be removed from Oriel College, because it's symbolic of "institutional racism" and "white slavery". Well even if it is - which we dispute - so bloody what? Any undergraduate so feeble-minded that they can't pass a bronze statue without having their "safe space" violated really does not deserve to be here. And besides, if we were to remove Rhodes's statue on the premise that his life wasn't blemish-free, where would we stop? As one of our alumni Dan Hannan has pointed out, Oriel's other benefactors include two kings so awful - Edward II and Charles I - that their subjects had them killed. The college opposite - Christ Church - was built by a murderous, thieving bully who bumped off two of his wives. Thomas Jefferson kept slaves:
    does that invalidate the US Constitution? Winston Churchill had unenlightened views about Muslims and India: was he then the wrong man to lead Britain in the war?"

    Actually, we'll go further than that. Your Rhodes Must Fall campaign is not merely fatuous but ugly, vandalistic and dangerous. We agree with Oxford historian RW Johnson that what you are trying to do here is no different from what ISIS and the Al-Qaeda have been doing to artefacts in places like Mali and Syria. You are murdering history.

    And who are you, anyway, to be lecturing Oxford University on how it should order its affairs? Your ?#?rhodesmustfall campaign, we understand, originates in South Africa and was initiated by a black activist who told one of his lecturers "whites have to be killed". One of you - Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh - is the privileged son of a rich politician and a member of a party whose slogan is "Kill the Boer; Kill the Farmer"; another of you, Ntokozo Qwabe, who is only in Oxford as a beneficiary of a Rhodes scholarship, has boasted about the need for "socially conscious black students" to "dominate white universities, and do so ruthlessly and decisively!

    Great. That's just what Oxford University needs. Some cultural
    enrichment from the land of Winnie Mandela, burning tyre necklaces, an AIDS epidemic almost entirely the result of government indifference and ignorance, one of the world's highest per capita murder rates, institutionalised corruption, tribal politics, anti-white racism and a collapsing economy. Please name which of the above items you think will enhance the lives of the 22,000 students studying here at Oxford.

    And then please explain what it is that makes your attention grabbing campaign to remove a listed statue from an Oxford college more urgent, more deserving than the desire of probably at least 20,000 of those 22,000 students to enjoy their time here unencumbered by the irritation of spoilt, ungrateful little tossers on scholarships they clearly don't merit using racial politics and cheap guilt-tripping to ruin the life and fabric of our beloved university.

    Understand us and understand this clearly: you have everything to learn from us; we have nothing to learn from you.

    Yours, Oriel College, Oxford
     
       
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    Bingo!!!!!
     
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    Hahahahahaha. Fake, but ......

    Love it.
     
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    There is no way that letter is real.
    It is a great read, but no way I believe it to be a real letter.
     
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    MANY THANKS TO YOU SCOTTY,

    YOU MADE MY POINT AND WHY I POSTED THIS LETTER KNOWING IT MAY NOT BE OFFICIAL FROM OXFORD.
     
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    Raw Cancel Culture Idiocy.
    Another reason that I posted this wild Oxford University fake letter follows:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-55549876

    Decision over future of Oxford's Cecil Rhodes statue delayed
    A decision over the future of a statue of British imperialist Cecil Rhodes has been delayed until the spring.

    Calls to remove the Oriel College statue in Oxford were reignited in June last year after a statue of 17th Century slave trader Edward Colston was torn down in Bristol.

    A commission was set up to examine the statue's future and said a report would be released this month.

    But the date has been delayed due to a "considerable volume of submissions".

    A spokesperson for the commission, set up by Oriel College, said a report would "likely be published in early spring 2021 in order to ensure that all input is given careful and due consideration".

    They added that restrictions on livelihood due to the coronavirus pandemic had also disrupted the group's work.

    Campaigners want the statue removed because they say Rhodes, a 19th Century businessman and politician in southern Africa, represented white supremacy and was steeped in colonialism and racism.

    Following protests which saw thousands of people gather in Oxford's High Street to demand its removal last year, the governors of Oriel College voted to take it down, reversing the decision they made in 2016.

    But a spokeswoman for the commission said despite the vote, there are no pre-conditions on what the review group can decide.

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    The statue sits above a doorway on the front of the college's Rhodes Building, which faces Oxford's High Street.

    The commission deciding on its future includes broadcaster Zeinab Badawi, former Conservative shadow culture secretary Peter Ainsworth and Oxford Labour councillor Shaista Aziz.

    It has also been tasked with "considering the issue of the Rhodes legacy" and "themes and issues relating to the history of the college, its donors and memorials".

    It has held a series of "evidence sessions" over the past six months but has not reached a decision about the future of the statue.

    Oxford City Council leader Susan Brown previously urged the college to apply to the council for planning permission to remove the statue.

    Because of its Grade II-listed status, Ms Brown said, it could be "placed in a museum, such as the Ashmolean or the Museum of Oxford".

    The Rhodes Must Fall campaign began in South Africa, where a Rhodes statue was removed, and was adopted in Oxford by campaigners who argued his views were incompatible with an "inclusive culture" at the university.
     
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    The letter may be a fake but it expresses perfectly what many people feel about what's going on in universities today. Sadly, much of it is fueled and promoted by liberal faculty members. Our Country would be stronger and our people united if we could purge these corrupt professors.
     
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    Regardless if fake ~ Autres temps, autres mœurs definition is - other times, other customs : in other eras people behaved differently.
     
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    Or, as Joe Biden said in February on CNN when Anderson Cooper asked Biden whether he had spoken to Chinese President Xi Jinping about Uyghurs: "Culturally, there are different norms that each country and their leaders are expected to follow."
     
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    Yes, well said 901.
     
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    I would not say "perfectly".
    In fact, letters like that making its way around the internet are exactly the type of evidence the left uses to say "see, they are all racists".

    The exact same point and meaning could have been conveyed without the racist undertones.
    People on the right side (double meaning there) need to do better.
     
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    I see your point but perfect doesn't have to mean politically correct.
     
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    Of course not. I hate PC.
    Take 2 paragraphs out of that letter, 2 paragraphs that add no real value, and the impact is actually enhanced and the powerful point behind the letter is better served.
     
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    You're probably correct but I don't want to focus on the letter. It was good for a laugh but It's behind me.
     
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