Tackling in practices

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  2. RB4SC

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    Article is from 2016...Ivy League has had that RULE in place for at least that long. Right now, I BELIEVE, NCAA programs are allowed two contact days per week...only ONE that’s “game like”...tackle to the ground. Not many programs use “game like” AFTER fall camp.

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    Yes, Im all for it.
     
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    What was Teevens record at Stanford anyways?
     
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    You only need one game like day on or Wednesday with the other contact day on Tuesday if you're playing on the road or Tuesday or Thursday for home games .

    The key isn't simply that it will make you better tacklers which is huge it will also keep your team intensity consistent all week long ensuring more constently effective performance throughout games.

    Not practicing game-like tackling at all leaves your defenders at a horrific disadvantage all game long at every level on the field, especially once the higher-than-healthy level of adrenaline the team comes in with because of that lack of real contact in practice drains off.

    Pete Carroll had one day of game like tackling - Competition Tuesday, and one other high intensity/ physical day - Turnover Wednesday. That's all you need to be ready for Saturday physically and mentally, too. The difference in this this USC team with those 2 days in practice I suspect would be stunning.
     
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    The thing is, they DO practice tackling. They just don’t take each other to the ground, they use dummies.

    Obviously with all the CTE issues, doing full tackling to the ground all the time at practice isn’t allowed. But I like the idea of the tackling dummies. Tackling will always be a fundamental requirement to the game. So until they completely do away with it, you better be practicing it some how or some way.
     
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    Not for this board. According to "experts" here we should be using PC's methods but it's also "old news" he's changed technique AND frequency as well. To quote: "Whether people want to accept evolution or not, this is the future for all of football."

    Point is there's usually a wider view to consider than the mantras (and repeated) posted on this board.
     
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    Notice the OPs snide dismissal before making his point. Basically he says if you advocate tacking in practice you are an idiot.

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    Not the point. His point is, "Either we change the way we coach the game, or we won’t have a game to coach.” Could be very true.
     
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    It’s fine for ivy league, pac12 or nzaa to put restrictions on physical practices. But when our coach goes even further it just gives competitive advantage to our opponents who are doing the maximum allowed physical practices.

    And this is not helping with injuries either. We may have less injuries during practices but it seems like we have more injuries and concussions during games. This could be because they are not conditioned for a physical game.
     
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    When has an Ivy League school been competitive against a Power 5 conference.
     
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    Again, one day of full tackling should be enough. Taking dummies to the ground is pointless - actual football players can actually fight to stay on the their feet or evade or out-run tacklers altogether . Tackling dummies will never on their own be adequate preparation for tackling on Game Days. Not even close, unless live full tackling in practice is banned altogether by the NCAA.
     
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    I agree that tackling dummies to the ground is not that same as tackling actual football players.

    What I was saying was that actually practicing tackling and the proper technique is better than the two hand crap that we do at practice. There is a reason why on Saturdays our defense cannot tackle.....they don’t actually practice it.

    So either have 2 days of real hitting with live tackling or at least practice with the dummies, because what we are currently doing isn’t working.
     
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    Anyone who BELIEVES Pete Carroll practiced FULL Tackling in actual "game like" scrimmages during the regular season is completely delusional...I attended those practices when I was able, and yes, they LOOKED physical and Full-Tilt, but if you really believe he allowed Maualuga or Cushing or Matthews to completely UNLOAD on Reggie or LenDale, then you don't understand. Yep, they had Competition Tuesdays and Turnover Wednesdays throughout the season, but EVERY Competition and Turnover drill was "Controlled". It may NOT have looked that way to the average fan watching, but, no coach will completely "roll the dice" and allow his #1s to go FULL against his #1s, outside a CONTROLLED drill. Now, did the #1s O go Full against the Scout D and the #1s D vs. the Scout O...sure...regularly, but, that's NOT game like either once the season's started. It's all "controlled". If there is ever "game-like" going on during the season, it's in the trenches or when LBs blitz and RBs have to pick-up...that (interior line play and blitz pick-up) has to be practiced at or near full go.

    I've had a number of conversations with former SC coach, Rocky Seto, and he was very specific regarding their Tackling Program and how often and how much they exposed their players to possible injury by Tackling Full.

    Most people would agree, Tackling in SPACE is the most obvious issue SC has had over the past few seasons. And, honestly, the most valuable tool for effective Tackling in space is SPEED and being in the right place at the right time based on proper positioning...and the ability to Cut-Tackle...which is NEVER practiced on anything other than a BAG at practice. SCs DB's were noticeably better at tackling in space this season over the past few...and, they were ALSO faster individually and played with more game savvy. Most missed Tackles in space happen as a result of players being out of position or trying to tackle too high and reach or arm tackling...that's why the "new" 'Hawks Style Tackling introduced by the Seahawks 5 years ago (designed by Coach Seto with PC's blessings) is the primary Tackling technique taught in ALL football today...it's about tackling the near hip of the ball carrier and wrapping up his legs by rolling with the inertia created by initial contact. The old "slobber-knockers" of yester-year are gone...most are deemed illegal by most officials today and lead to ejections. SCs got to tackle better, PERIOD. But to infer the football program isn't committed to tackling is silly. Football's pretty simple...it's really on Blocking and TACKLING. As long as teams do that, they have a chance to be successful.

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    Watched Cushing absolutely steamroll McKnight in practice. They had to dig him out of the dirt.
    Norton Jr. said, “Welcome to a division one college ball Mr. McKnight.”
     
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    Right...but it was the “rookie” McKNIGHT!

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