O-Line in a good spot as fall camp progresses

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  2. GoSC27!

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    Aug 15, 2019 at 12:52 AM
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    Thanks Erik for the interview and write up. My concern still is with the OLine depth. We will see if Drevno has changed the perception of this OLine through the first six games. Again, no fault to him, as that is what he inherited. I also think GH’s tempo and AA’s S&C should help. Maybe we can now play ball for 4 quarters!
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 8:17 AM
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    “It takes the defensive ends farther away from the quarterback when you throw the ball. It creates running lanes when you run the ball. It kind of gives you some air in there and some space to work.”

    NSDT hard to believe how badly we handicapped ourselves. There are other reasons to have wider splits as well. Me thinks Drevno was overridden / dictated to on this under Martin /Hellton
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 8:20 AM
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    Was Drevno the O-Line coach under Martin/Helton?
     
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    I believe the cross training that he mentioned will help with any lack of depth.
     
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    Neil Callaway was OL coach last season....IIRC...
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 9:30 AM
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    I think it was in Arledge's column that he commented on Drevno's obvious competency as an OL coach judging by his time spent with Harbaugh. I definitely agree. Quoting Drevno, "Rome wasn't created in a day", so it will take some time, but I think there are some quick wins (ie, improvements) to be had. Beyond that we shall see. The personnel looks better than last year.
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 9:39 AM
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    Drevno has an excellent reputation and resume. So if a coach can turn things around it will
    be him.
    The talent level is not what it used to be.
    But once the recruits see the good coaching they get they will once again flock back.
    If Helton doesn't get in the way of course.
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 10:33 AM
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    The biggest downside to wider splits from my HS recollections when I was moved off the end of the line to inside linebacker, was that the blitz was more open. Therefore, it is essential to get good pick ups from the RBs. I think one of the articles discussed that was being worked on.
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 10:35 AM
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    Will you interview Drevno after this Saturday scrimmage?
     
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    Of course. Helton doesn’t want the team to win or anything like that.
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 10:42 AM
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    Believe that offensive coaches are available on Tuesdays after practice....
     
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    So, in the AIR-RAID system, the wider splits do all of what was talked about (moves DEs out further, creates more 1 on 1 OL/DL protection match-ups, and creates wider and more discernible running lanes), and it CAN create what appears to be open blitz lanes as well. In most cases, the RB will pick up any inside blitzer to his side and the QB will be responsible for the inside blitzer opposite. The inside receiver (TE or Slot) will also be RESPONSIBLE for the inside blitzer to his side and if the defender comes (blitzes), then the inside receiver is taught to merely replace him (called a HOT route). One of the effective aspects of the Air-Raid is there are often crossing routes built into nearly every route concept. That alone, allows the QB to have an underneath (blitz) option nearly every play...the crosser will either run to the open space or SIT in the open hole, depending on where the blitzer was prior to the snap.

    Not sure if info helps at all, BUT thought I'd try...

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    Aug 15, 2019 at 11:50 AM
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    Thanks for the great comments. Very informative... I learned something. More one-on-one match-ups in space for our OL seems like a big concern. Lohbendahn spent a lot of time helping out the OGs with pass and run blocking because they were consistently being beaten on the inside, which probably made JT look a lot worse than he is. What do you think of our interior OL being able to win their one-on -on battles in the Air Raid?
     
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    The "isolation" of the individual OLmen can be an issue...BUT, with the wider splits the DLmen are also put in an "ISOLATED" position...they cannot Loop or Twist as easily because there's too much SPACE to try and make up. So, while putting an OLman in a challenging position against a better DLman might seem like a bad idea, it does "pre-expose" Defensive intentions and then an Offensive Coordinator and/or OL Coach can make the necessary adjustments in protection. Sort of a "glass half full or empty" proposition.

    I personally have COMPLETE confidence in Drevno solving the OL issues...he's proven it at SC before and many times over elsewhere. Some like to criticize his being fired by Harbaugh as the Michigan OC and use the firing as evidence against him as a coach, BUT not all coaches are "Coordinators". The truly great ones KNOW their strengths as a coach and don't allow their ambitions to get in the way of their successful skill levels...I believe Drevno learned that. If Texas Tech and North Texas and Washington State (maybe not anymore) can get three-star or lower players to successfully protect their (usually) immobile QBs, then I'm more than CONFIDENT our players will PROVE they can do the job as well!

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    I am hoping that this is where the opponents stack the box to expose the splits and the quick slants burn them. I can picture St. Brown running away from the one guy trying to cover him, etc.
     
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    Aug 15, 2019 at 6:28 PM
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    Let's walk back the perceived lack of talent on the USC offensive line. Every single one of the top 7 guys were national recruits with multiple offers. In fact, 4 of them were top 10 recruits at their respective positions. (USC research courtesy of BLL)

    Austin Jackson #8 OT
    Brett Neilon #2 C
    AVT #14 OT
    Jalen McKenzie #24 OG
    Richmond #3 OT
    Voorhees #36 OT
    Dedich #2 C


    Lets compare USC's "lack of talent" to Stanford, Washington and Oregon's projected 5 starters on the OL. Some of these guys played different positions in high school but I will put them in order from RT to LT

    Stanford

    Little #3 OT
    Powell #58 OG
    Dalman #7 OC
    Sarell #2 OT
    Hamilton #25 OT

    Washington

    Hilbers #115 OT
    Kirkland #58 OT
    Harris #75 OG
    Wattenberg #13 OG
    Adams #31 OT

    Oregon

    Throckmorton #58 OT
    Warmack #10 OG
    Hanson #73 OT
    Lemieux #34 OG
    Sewell #2 OG

    I understand this line isn't as good as some of the historically great lines in USC history, but USC has the type of talent on the OL that most other schools can only dream of. I think Callaway turned them into a nightmare, but I think Drevno can turn them into what they should be.
     
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    Great point here! I think this year is going to come down to confidence. Last year was a perfect example of talented players playing with zero confidence, both in the scheme and themselves. If they're playing with high confidence, they'll be able to play towards their talent level. When I was playing D 1 baseball, my team had a talented roster and when we started very slow, we lost all confidence and had a horrible season after being picked by many scouts as a dark horse to win the conference.
     
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    and zero coaching that made them want to play to their potential, let alone a competent scheme.
     
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