Needed changes, new energy have USC recruiting ready to roll

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  2. Wilson Reade

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    Encouraging, if not entirely convincing.
     
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    Winning will bring back elite players
     
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    Nice piece Erik, thanks. It felt like some of the staff we let go was sort of stale in the recruiting dept. Tee Martin was a great recruiter and maybe (lol!) sucked as an OC - but his recruiting energy was never replaced. Ive heard Clancy didnt work at recruiting much at all. Seems like we've filled multiple positions with guys who really excel at that - hopefully. Winning will help!
     
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    That information was very informative and as a fan you can feel the energy and attention to detail the staff is showing. If they have football this season and they are successful and win the South and play for the Conference Championship they 2021 class will change the narrative about USC. They still have a chance at local recruits like Foreman and Rasejon Davis.
     
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    The quotes coming out of Heritage Hall and the McKay Center are so much wishful thinking and hot gas, it's pretty pathetic.

    We finished behind Oregon State last year in recruiting. 10th out of 12 --- and that's in a weak conference to begin with. NOTHING will change, even with all the rosy, optimistic drivel about this amazing new coaching staff. Those highly ranked recruits have written their name in sand --- that they'll jump ship as soon as Bohn announces that he's bringing Helton back for yet another undeserved year at the helm. We are one torn ACL from being 4 - 8 next year.

    Even with a healthy Slovis, does anyone see us beating Alabama, Oregon, Washington and Notre Dame? So that's 4 losses right off the bat. We'll lose at least 2 more. But gosh oh golly, lets keep reminding ourselves that USC just stocked up on a bunch of offensive linemen (a raft of 3-star kids, but missing on every top recruit we had targeted). No linebackers, no safeties, and no game-breaking talent anywhere on the field in the entire recruiting class . . . but hope springs eternal that somehow Helton is going to do something different next year.
     
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    Wait, I thought we signed a kicker?
    Jokes aside, Gary Bryant especially and Josh Jackson could end up as dudes eventually.
     
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    Really? Outside of Alabama we should be beating Oregon, Washington, and ND. Not saying we will, but they're not automatic losses by any means. This type of post is simply the other side of the coin from the sunshine pumpers. Not really grounded in reality.
     
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    Reality WTF We just had the worst recruiting class in SC history and just got humiliated by Iowa. To add insult we kept the buffoon of a coach that recruited the worst class in SC history and got curb stomped by Iowa. What reality are you talking about. Pumper= hope based on speculation regardless of objective reality (worst recruiting class ever, beat down from Iowa). Just don't get how you can be so detached from reality.
     
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    Last year's recruiting class isn't going to hurt us this year. We've improved in many not all (re: Helton, Clay) areas. If you look at the teams that were referenced we should have beaten Washington last year, with the same headcoach, and this year they won't be as good and we'll be improved. Notre Dame, same thing, give that game 10 more minutes and we beat them on a comeback. Oregon smoked us in the 2nd half, but those playmakers will be all gone.

    To just write in those three games as automatic loses is completely detached from reality.
     
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    Well a refreshing article in deed. Cannot help but think back the past few years and how disfunctional the Unviseity was with Nickias, Haden, Swann and class action lawsuits.
     
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    I believe this article was about next year ...not last year. We've had one bad recruiting year. Next year always looked like a pretty good year, now it looks like it could be a phenomenal year. Don't get stuck in the past..."Pick" a new attitude about the future.
     
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    Damn dude. You make Debbie Downer sound like Tony Robbins. Optimism hasn't been outlawed just yet, ya know.
     
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    Yes it will hurt. You are either getting better each year of getting worse. Nobody stays the same. This recruiting class makes us worse.

    We're loosing former 4 and 5 star talent, while we're bringing in a raft of 3-star kids who weren't offered by any of the big programs we're supposed to be competing with. That means that the level of talent on the scout team will immediately be weaker. That means that the depth chart just got thiner. And that means that we signed no help for positions in need -- linebacker and safety.

    There is no possible way to spin this. This is watching the Hindenburg slowly go up in flames --- oh the humanity.
     
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    There is no denying that the 2020 class sucked in numbers, and perceived talent level.

    With that said, have you looked at the complete roster? The new class coupled with the redshirt frosh from the previous class has plenty of talent..Bru McCoy, Kyle Ford, J Rodriguez and a bunch of others are all still frosh....

    Besides, this new class have more OL/DL types that are normally rated lower than most other positions.

    Also, without a lot of seniors, USC is now being talked about as a likely conference champ thia coming season...

    Last point, looks like the recruiting issue has been addressed and fixed. You can stay a debbie downer, some of us have chosen to see a brighter future....
     
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    Disagree. There are other variables that matter, for example, starts and playing time numbers across the roster and per position depth, and number of departed players and their average playing time. In my view, our poor 2020 class does not imperil us this fall, it starts to imperil us in 2021, and worse in 2022, but that can all be mitigated with a top 5 2021 recruiting class.
     
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    Part of what I meant to say here is that we have an unusually high number of players with starting experience and non-garbage playing time under their belts, due largely to injuries and rotating in a lot of young, inexperienced players at positions that came into 2019 with shallow depth (e.g. the secondary). That means we enter 2020 with an abnormally experienced second- and third-string, which obviates your concerns about the scout team.
     
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    I can understand your perspective--it's your reality and I can see how you justify it. No denying the paucity of stars in the last full recruiting class and the ranking was well, embarrassing for the program. But certainly you see a positive shift, no? First, this new staff is getting us on a national radar of kids who weren't even sniffing at USC before. We won't land them all but they're at least looking seriously. Secondly, I have to suspect that the previous staff as a whole lost their recruiting mojo, or in some cases, never had it to begin with. I also suspect this is where Bohn turned the screws on CH to clean house and find recruiters or else. The resulting turnover and energy is palpable. As to perspective...looks very promising from where I sit.
     
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    They don't understand how it works. SC is supposed to be in the thick of things this next season with a PAC 12 Championship, and even possible CFP. Not being a sunshine pumper at all, there are numerous objective analysts out there saying that - are they Sunshine Pumpers as well?
    This is why I am discouraged that this upcoming season might be postponed because that crappy recruiting class is supposed to affect the program in the season after this one. If SC has an awesome season this coming up fall as expected by many objective football analysts, it will be back in the thick of things for the elite prospects. Again, that is not sunshine pumping, that is reality. We are already seeing a positive bump in recruiting because of the percieved improvement in our assistant coaches, Helton be damned. SC wins next season, they (4 and 5 stars) will come. Again, that is not Sunshine Pumping, that is reality.
    I'm not going to feel bad because I like the assistant coach hires, I like the momentum our recruiting shows. To keep it going, the team has to win. This upcoming season is thought to be a very good opportunity for SC. SC needs this upcoming season to happen.,.. and Helton needs to let his A Team assistant coaches coach.
     
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    It's all sunny and optimistic . . . until we start to lose games due to all of the same reasons we've lost the past 3 years --- lack of physicality, lack of cogent organization and scheme, and a lack of accountability (starting with HCCH).

    In my opinion, the ONLY reason we are getting looks from the best recruits is because they believe that Helton will be fired as soon as his buy-out drops down, and as soon as Urban Meyer says he's available. If Bohn signals that Helton will be back in 2021-22, those recruits will evaporate like an ice cube in Tempe.
     
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