Musings from Arledge: Kicking Deep, Papering Over Problems, and Time to Act

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  1. Rob384

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    I wrote this in another thread but the the two top things a Division 1 Football Coach needs to do is Develop Players and Win. And why this era might be worse than the Hackett era is that he actually sent some players to the League and they had nice careers. But Buddy was such a horrible coach (and stubborn) that he didn't have success record wise here.

    Helton, meanwhile, is a much nicer person than Hackett (at least on the surface) but has done a much bigger disservice to the University and program because his players are not getting developed, not moving on, and here not winning.

    For as much of a bum Sark ended up being, he could recruit. He left Helton a full cupboard, but how many of those guys moved on and were drafted high. Heck, even watching Darnold right now, I can't help but think about how he really did not get developed while here. And he's paying the price now.

    In short, great article. I believe this game was a blessing in disguise. It was always my fear that SC would win out, go to the Rose Bowl and we would have to endure Helton vs. Saban again. But at least now, there is no way that can happen (It can't, can it?).

    I have trust in this new regime. I find it as no small coincedence that Swann was let go at the end of September, a New AD a month later and we will have a new coach in a one month. As long as that coach has a good 3 weeks to flip recruits back, we will be fine.

    BTW--- Urban's first call will be to Bryce Young. And he will say... Remember Chris Leak and how well he did for me at Florida? That can be you.
     
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    And then Young will say actually coach I don’t remember Chris Leak I was 5. Lol
     
  3. Rainman44

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    Yes, except I don't think it was in disguise. It was sort of like putting a horribly injured something or other out of their misery. It was a mercy killing of the current coaching regime. Getting a 10-0 lead was once again that unmistakeable sign, like the Utah game, that there is hope. But, like Chris so well explained, the data doesn't back up that fleeting sense of hope. And in this case the data came crashing down hard. Harder than I expected it to. Hence, I think we are all of the opinion that this game is by and large, enough to stand as the closing argument (but it won't, as I'm pretty sure the new AD will wait until USC is mathematically eliminated).
     
  4. Jay4usc

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    I was going to say the same thing. I remember telling myself, watch one day Toa’s bad snaps will cost Helton a game and sure enough it came the next week.
     
  5. GoSC1

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    Well, we have to get an AD for this to happen...... it just seems like for the last several years we have been on this board waiting for some fateful announcement that might hopefully change the trajectory of this program...... here we sit, waiting for that announcement....
     
  6. PickSicx

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    Exceptionally well written Arledge. You have crystalized Helton's entire tenure as head coach with one single horrific lack of coaching: the kick.

    Yes, there is a clear distinction that needs to be made between hoping that something will eventually happen—REALLY REALLY HOPING—and doing what it takes to actually make it transpire. Just because you really really want something to happen does not mean that in reality, it will.

    Two years ago, I was standing on the sideline during a Trojan spring-ball practice. It was chippy out there and players we talking trash, getting up into one-another's faces, and generally acting thuggish. Helton called everyone over and proceeded to scream at them for 15 minutes, using every cuss word I'd every heard in my life. "Wow", I thought. "That's a new Clay." Then, last year as the season began, I realized, "Nope -- same old team, same stupid taunting penalties and unsportsmanlike penalties." Nothing had changed. He vented for 15 minutes, but that didn't change the actual behavior of the team. Much sound and hot gas, but no discernible difference.

    That's the story of his coaching life. Can't seem to make change happen. A nice man, but a horrible change agent.

    Time to move on.
     
  7. Rodgarnay51

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    This is a great column, and I'm sorry it has become necessary. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, Helton must be replaced, and I think he should be removed and replaced by an interim coach this very minute.

    To be fair, Helton did a good job initially as interim coach. He also did, IMO, a very good job in his first year as head coach. He coached the Trojans to a win in the most exciting Rose Bowl ever. The Trojans didn't play a lick of defense, but he was good enough with Sarkisian's recruits (Darnold, Adoree, Juju, et al) to coach them to a Number 3 final ranking. Things were looking up. I felt fine with Helton as coach going into 2017.

    Many warning signs surfaced in 2017, most memorably an inexplicable loss to Washington State when Darnold was all over the place and the Trojans made the guy Hercules, who probably weighed 250, look like the second coming of Big Daddy Lipscomb. And then it was full-on red flag during and after the trouncing by Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.

    Helton's faux pas, including the loves of his life Callaway and Toa, are too numerous to list. The final straw for me was a single play that led to the floodgates opening Saturday. A football-savvy 8-year-old would have known better than to kick deep with 20 seconds left in the half. Would you believe me if I said as soon as I saw that ball in the air I had a feeling a runback might happen? Helton is either really dumb or was not paying attention, more likely both. I don't know how else to put it. I can't think of a coach's decision that foolish since the Joe Pisarcic fiasco, and IMO this is even stupider than that. It's also even stupider than the two guys with the same jersey number on the opening kickoff of the season. It certainly had a higher likelihood of disaster, and with it any chance of regaining momentum and winning the game was gone. Why would he ever take a chance like that, much less when he is clearly coaching for his job? Two guys didn't stay in their lanes? PLEASE. He must think SC fans are even dumber than he is.

    Helton has used up all 10 of his nine lives, and all benefit of the doubt is gone. I will be at ASU for the game Saturday, and I hope the Trojans will have an interim head coach.
     
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    He might also ask about Chris Leak's NFL career.
     
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    I think the program would be better served if Helton was removed now and replaced by an interim coach. Hopefully the new AD and Folt understand this and will act accordingly.
     
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    oops. lost count. the last four. but if you go back to first hire of Robinson, USC has hired two great coaches--Robinson and Carroll, and seven terrible ones--Smith, Helton, Kiffin, Tollner, Hackett, Sarkesian, and Orgeron.

    Those seven coaches went a combined 172-117, the equivalent of 7-5 seasons every year. And, one, Orgeron, was so terrible he has led LSU to the current #1 ranking. Why do 80% of the coaches hired in the last 40 years at USC, fail?
     
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    At Husky stadium some fans told me ‘PAC12 needs SC great again’ Even doggie fans know that. Now TV puts us in dead times
     
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    What if the Ducks had fumbled the kickoff return instead of returning it for a touchdown? USC gets a quick touchdown out of it before half and goes in down 21-17 with momentum. Would Helton still be an idiot?
     
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    "USC’s kickoff specialist has been pretty good this year; most of his kicks have been touchbacks."

    No Arledge/Arhedge, his touchbacks haven't been more than half. Stadthause is barely at 44% on touchbacks and I don't think he has ever been above 50% this season. Compare that to Brown who was once at 90% while Stadthaus hovered around 43% but Brown later dropped to 73% on his touchbacks after game three. If playing the percentages and I wanted a deep kick touchback with a 73% possibility for success versus 44% then Brown is the guy. Why they took kickoff duties away from Brown is a bit confusing and I wonder if I'm missing something. Perhaps Brown isn't an 18% tackler? : ) I dunno, but I'm scratching my head here.
     
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    Bringing back that memory of the double jersey fiasco in the first game should have told us that nothing has changed. I totally believe you about your premonition about that kickoff when it was in the air. I was yelling to squib it and then buried my head in my hands when it went up in the air........
     
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    YES
     
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    I have read alot of articles saying that exact same thing. One of them was a duck fansite, I believe.
     
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    Orgeron was an interim HC. He was never hired as a permanent.
     
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    They know who really owns this conference and should begin to do it again.
     
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