June 4- USN beats Japan’s first team at Midway

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  2. DaFireMedic

    DaFireMedic Junior Member


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    I remember you mentioning that. All those guys are real life history lessons. Best and Gay feature prominently in a National Geographic mag I bought 20 years or so dedicated to Midway. Incredible.
     
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    I know which one you're talking about to. Outside of the South American dinosaurs edition (1997?), it's my favorite one

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    I think page 3 shows the number of ships the Japanese and Americans had. And you're thinking how the hell the US Navy win despite being such underdogs?
     
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    Yep, that’s the one.
     
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    I just pulled it out to take the picture, first time I’ve opened it up in a couple years. Still looking at it, lol.
     
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    Hey, I recognize that plane, lol.

    I've got this one,
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    framed, signed, on my wall. Years ago Virginia Bader Gallery near John Wayne Airport hosted a small gathering where several prints were for sale and surviving pilots showed up and were more than willing to talk. Lt Commander Best was a heck of a story-teller.
     
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    My sons watched this documentary last year and it's surprisingly well done:



    By the way, they were 8 and 6 at the time and were captivated the whole way through!
     
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    Thank you for this tremendous post. I've got a lump in my throat right now. Maybe the best example in U.S. history of American guts, dedication, heroism, bravery, ingenuity, patriotism and any other adjective I can come up with.
     
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    If you get a chance, read also "Sea of Thunder" by Evan Thomas. A good portion of the book is about the Battle off Samar, which was part of the larger overall Battle of Leyte Gulf.

    If you're not familiar with it, this action also later came to be known as "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors."

    Essentially, a Japanese force consisting of numerous heavy units came upon a smaller American force consisting mainly of destroyers, destroyer escorts, and escort carriers - mostly very lightly armed ships. Normal naval protocol would be to withdraw in the face of superior enemy force, but instead, the Americans attacked the Japanese like a crazed wolverine attacking a grizzly bear.

    Reading about the destroyer squadron's torpedo charge against the Japanese fleet honest to God gave me goosebumps.

    Thomas mentioned in a paragraph preceding his description of the action that the knock on American military arms was that Americans won because of the weight of their superior numbers, supplies, equipment, or technology. Basically, the implication was that the American fighting man was merely a technician operating superior machinery, and not a warrior of courage and determination. However, Thomas wrote that the Battle Off Samar showed what American warriors are made of when all the odds are NOT in their favor, when it is the enemy that has the superiority of numbers, weight, guns, etc.
     
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    ummm, because Japan had a third of its force up near the Aleutians, and a third as the landing force and only one third as a cover force? Well that's to the numbers, but the real reason is also the reason they only lasted two years on the high seas, Adm Nagumo was chicken shit. In each of the early decisive battles he turned tail when he could have either won or played to a draw, and the only real draw was Coral Sea. Nagumo fucked up at Pearl, Midway, and in the Eastern Solomon's and Japan paid badly for his mistakes. Oh yeah, and we all know about the blind luck of discovery during Midway. But this too would not have happened if the second attack on Pearl had worked. Weeks after the first strike on Pearl, Japanese subs refueled long range bombers [8 started out but only 2 continued on and decided against releasing weapons] from French Frigate Shoals at a time when the US carriers had returned to Pearl. Or maybe deciphering JN-25 code had more to do with it than anything else.

    BTW, other than being June 4, why is this not on the OT board?
     
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    I celebrate June 4th in some minor way every year....my dad is a retired Naval Officer and huge history buff and I studied the Battle of Midway religiously growing up. I’ve always thought it was one of the most fascinating battles in American history. I watched the 1976 movie Midway constantly growing up, and always wanted to be a Naval Aviator (yes, before Top Gun was even a script) but unfortunately my eyes weren’t sharp enough on their own.

    I love the story of the battle so much, when I purchased my first boat seven years ago, I named it Point Luck (only true Midway fans will understand). The boat’s slogan is “Rendezvous, Rally, Attack.”

    I also have multiple signed prints by Robert Taylor, and another of a TBD-1 Devastator signed by George Gay. If anyone ever wants to read about the battle I highly suggest Miracle at Midway, and Joe Rochefort’s War. Both fascinating and truly inspirational reads.

    Sorry for the rant on something slightly off topic but if anyone ever epitomized them true meaning of Fight On it was the US Navy in June 1942!
     
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    Well I'll be damned I learned something new

    "James was an all-city athlete at Los Angeles High School where he was the captain of the football team and a track star. In 1928 he and seven teammates set a new world's interscholastic record in the mile relay. He graduated from LA high school in June 1930 and entered the University of Southern California that fall. He graduated in May 1934."

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    "He was promoted to Lieutenant (Junior Grade) on 01 Nov 1939. He served on board Lexington (CV-2) followed by flight instructor duty in Pensacola and Norfolk, VA. On 1 September 1941, he joined Torpedo Squadron 8 (VT-8) that was to be assigned to USS Hornet (CV-8) upon her commissioning on 20 Oct 1941 at the Norfolk Naval Station. Appointed Lieutenant 6 January 1942. He was the interim Executive Officer of VT-8 from 4 Mar 1942 to 4 Jun 1942."

    "On the morning of 4 Jun 1942 the Hornet Air Group consisting of 59 aircraft took off from her flight deck to attack the Japanese Striking Force. Only Torpedo Squadron Eight's 15 Devastators found their targets. Attacking without protecting fighter cover VT-8 was overwhelmed by superior numbers of Japanese fighter aircraft and anti aircraft fire, but they continued their attack profiles until one by one they were shot down. Lt James Owens and his radioman/gunner, ARM1 Amelio Maffei, were killed in action and their remains were unrecoverable. According to the Hornet's Midway battle after action report dated 13 Jun 1942 they were listed as "missing in action." In that report Rear Admiral (Select) Mitscher, Hornet CO, nominated each member of Torpedo Eight who flew into battle on 4 Jun 1942 for the Congressional Medal of Honor.

    Lt Owens was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross, the Purple Heart, and the Presidential Unit Citation ribbon."

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56118393/james-charles-owens
     
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    wow that is incredible that you got to meet those guys and hang out. What a stud Best was
     
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    Well at that time the first guy to find the enemy usually won. Like a school fight, usually the first punch won
     
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    Those guys went into battle knowing that the likelihood of them surviving that mission was slim and none....

    Heroic stuff....
     
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    Ahhh. The old dive play.
     
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    One excellent additional book on this subject is the fairly recent Shattered Sword. It's meticulously researched and goes after some myths which have arisen about the battle.
     
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