If Helton were fired after this year

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    Scalum76

    Scalum76 Junior Member


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    Would anyone on this board take a chance on Donte Williams as the next head coach. That being said Meyer is gone and SC doesn’t seem to be able to get the top tier coaches to come take a look, I think if SC spend on Assistant coaches Williams might be that head man and let the offensive and defensive coordinators do their jobs and just do game and player management.
    Just want to here from real football people on this suggestion.
     
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    That's a resounding NO. DC, maybe. Head guy...no way. We can't miss with our next hire and we've had ten plus years of 'experiments'. Look how that turned out...a whining ass, a drunk and Mr. Ice Cream.

    We need a guy who will out recruit everyone, have a championship vision and make that vision happen. No more bullshitting around. We can dominate the Pac-12 and cakewalk into the playoffs with a coach who sees the possibilities at SC.
     
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    There are no sure hires for head coach especially at USC, and USC should have a pretty good idea of who they will be getting after having him on the staff for a while. He will be one of the hottest coaches in another couple years, and he’s already well respected in the college coaching world. You might be able to catch him after his first head coaching position (which will likely be his next stop), but then you’ll be competing with the rest of the world. The biggest problem with Helton at the outset was his reputation and his “Rolodex”, and Williams is already way ahead in that area. I also like that he’s from the defensive side of the ball.
     
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    No.
    Who said we don't or wouldn't get top tier coaches interested. We haven't had real feelers or offers out there. If Meyer's was interested that tells you that USC is still a prime destination for a HC. We have prime recruiting grounds. A top 5 Conference with no real competition to keep us out of the CFP's. What is there not for an top tier coach to want? The opportunity is here to make a name for themselves.
    The only thing is Folt and her cronies. If she wanted to relinquish the Football team to Bohn and let him go out and build it without ridiculous restrictions, I'm sure top tier HC's would come.
    No more hiring from within or hiring beginners.
     
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    The name of the game is recruiting. Yes, it helps to be an X's and O's guy but you can't get the 2 and 3 stars and hope to develop. You have to get ELITE talent, year in and year out, and stockpile that roster. In order to be the best, you got to recruit with the best. I'm talking Top 5 every year. Recruit, train, develop and unleash them and let them have fun and showcase that talent (games).

    We need that type of coach.
     
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    Don’t make the same mistake twice.
    Hire a HC with HC experience.
    Interview more than one person.
    Don’t rush into decision.
     
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    Meyer is out of the picture!!!!
    Who's in your top 3 choices for the job that has SHOWN they can recruit at a high level, with HC experience and would realistically come to USC??? Anyone can answer. Remember SHOWN they can recruit at a high level not potentially can has proven recruiting results and would realistically come to USC.
     
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    You have to know how to coach first. Recruiting is 1B.
    Tee Martin was bringing in so much talent for Claydo and he squandered it. Clay is a great example of how to waste 4 and 5 star talent. Year after year he's had top 10 recruiting classes and that's lead to Zero NC playoff appearances. He hasn't even been close in 6 years going on 7. That Rose Bowl season was the result of players Sarks #1 class left him. I've posted on this topic before. Of the top 5 teams who've had top 10 recruiting classes over the last 6 years. USC is the only team to not make the playoffs. Put that in perspective.


    Tee Martin and Tosh Lupoi would take the Head Coaching job today. They meet your criteria but would they make good head coaches? Ahh No!!!

    Jimmy Lake is a great example. Good recruiter no HC experience. Washington was better with Chris Petersen and Pete Kwiatkowski. Lake has done nothing. Nobody is talking about Washington winning the Pac 12.

    Every top tier program has a Great Recruiting head coach some of it is winning tradition, some is recruiting advantages like USC has being in the LA market but the great ones hire coordinators that can recruit too. Can you honestly say Orlando and Harrell are great recruiters? They are midlevel at best in the Pac 12 rankings. D. Williams is doing the heavy lifting.

    BTW, Guess who's the current number one ranked Pac 12 recruiter?

    Chris Hawkins (C Hawk) ASU
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    He's hot out of the box and doing work. Congratulations young man. He's neck and neck with William's and he's just starting out.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/asu-football-surges-in-pac-12-college-football-recruiting-rankings-behind-chris-hawkins/ar-BB1eCFpq

    https://247sports.com/college/arizona-state/Article/ASU-football-Prentice-Gill-Chris-Hawkins-Antonio-Pierce-Pac-12-recruiting--149869835/

    This is a classic Clay Helton [email protected]#k up: He can't see talent right in front of his chubby face. You had a MONSTER recruiter on campus and you didn't lock him up? Haha.

    C HAWK you are a great recruiter, and you're about to be a rich man!!!
     
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    You have to remember with the right HC and staff recruits will flock to USC. I know it would never happen but if PC was to return every 5* on the West Coast would be fighting to get into USC before one offer went out. With the right hire recruits would be talking to each other how now we can dominate at USC if we commit together. A great HC with a winning reputation at a program like USC, recruiting shouldn't be that difficult with a couple of decent recruiters.
     
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    Clay could not see talent if it bit him on the ass
     
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    All I can say is that there are no guarantees when hiring a coach. All the crap about prime recruiting grounds, etc. have been the case for decades. Yet, when Hackett was fired, we lucked out with Pete Carroll when he was well down the list of candidates we tried to get. SC had gone 10-11 years of mediocrity and now here we are again. Yes, different circumstances now, some better, some worse, but we are going to have to get lucky again. Thankfully, Bohn is doing a good job of upgrading our football infrastructure, and that gives us a chance.
     
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    If I had one word to describe Pete Carroll when he first arrived at SC it is enthusiastic.
    Garrett took a gamble and won beyond his wildest dreams.
    Who is out there with HC experience that brings a culture of infectious enthusiasm?

    As a fan, it was worth the all day or night investment to be part of USC football because of the aura of enthusiasm PC brought to USC.
    Now, there are a few players that "bring it" every play and are worth investing in. As a team, I do not experience that any longer and it comes down to the HC's not creating a championship culture.
     
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    A lot of USC fans really need to get a grip on reality. USC is just barely in a top 5 conference right now, and very few of the big recruits come from California any more. The PAC-12 hasn’t won anything since the advent of the bowl championship series, and USC hasn’t even sniffed at getting in. Most of USC’s legacy is now near 40 years ago. Yet the biggest problem USC faces is that it is a private university whose alumni insist on having some influence no matter how large their monetary contributions.
    And for those on the Meyer train, there was no way that was going to happen because he wanted his own conditions which flew right in the face of the previous cited issue. The best thing USC has going for it is the athletic department is finally focusing on what other programs have been doing so well for the past 10 years, but USC still has a lot of catching up to do. Does that sound like a program that is primed for a top level coaching candidate?
     
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    A BiG No.

    USC is a top 5 HC job by every objective measure (and every talking head's list) and NOT one you give to someone in need of learning how to be a top HC, let alone a first time HC learning to be a HC.

    If - big "if" too - AD Bohn makes a change after this coming season, just look to how he (with assistance from Sosa) have approached hiring HCs. The writing is plainly on the wall... an individual with a proven college Head Coaching experienced at winning as a college HC, and proven record in building a program at a D1 college. Bohn is not hiring a rookie...

    Helton's win % record as HC is .662 as show on the below ranking. I'd bet the next USC HC is on that lists in the "Safe For Now" group, under 50 years of age, 5 or more years HC experience and a win % over .600....it would be one of the following: Campbell, Fickell, with outside chance of Bill Clark or Bob Stoops (if the team craters and finishes under .500)

    http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm
     
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    To get a top level coaching candidate, you first have to offer him free reign and unlimited resources. End of search for a top level coaching candidate.
     
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    No. No more on-the-job training. Been there, done that.
     
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    Great post. Thanks for the list. BTW. What happened to Dino Babers? That dude fell off the cliff. There was a time he was a hot name to replace Claydo. Proof 1 season does not a good coach make.
     
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    Again I know Meyer's is out of the picture but do you believe for a second he wouldn't be able to take the top talent in CA. and surrounding recruiting grounds. Mix in a few cross country recruits and not be able to dominate with that talent. We have the recruiting area. If Fickle can win at Cincinnati for example why wouldn't he win here. Maybe an X NFL HC like Jack Del Rio could be the next PC. Discipline and knowledge of Football. PC's enthusiasm was great but isn't a criteria. Saban doesn't have that energy. He would kill it at USC. It's coaching combined with developing talent. Getting the best out of the talent. Then out coaching your opponent. Something we never see with Helton.
     
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    Did I also mention that the PAC-12 still has no real media contract? Do you think that maybe matters to potential recruits? Do you maybe think that may be one of the reasons why the better recruits are leaving the west?
     
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