Helton recaps signing day 2020 (talks Yary and Orlando)

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  1. Trojack

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    Probably about 10 million reasons why he won't, and shouldn't, thanks to Max, Pat, and Lynn.
     
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    Yikes....that speaks quite eloquently
     
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    Seems like it. And he thinks he can do it via soft practices and film watching. So he is either very stupid or crazy. The other possibility is this is all an act. He knows he is over his head, but the pay is too good and he is laughing all the way to the bank.
     
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    The only genuine bright spot in an otherwise dismal recruiting picture.
     
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  5. Cyrus

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    twitterverse is full of reports that Sean Snyder (from Kansas State) will be the new Special Teams Coordinator. Seems like a good hire.
     
  6. BigRex

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    And, . . . I want to point out that even with this weak recruiting class, USC is the odds-on favorite to win the Pac 12 next year and will almost certainly win at least 9 games.
     
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    We all know 2020 may be a decent year but the thought of having a national presence is gone and probably for good given the current folks in charge
    The comments of HCCH just drip with failure ..
    Reminds me of watching a poorly run business that eventually goes bankrupt
    No vision..no leadership .. no talent at management level
    Looks like entire university going the way of football
     
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  9. Awsi Dooger

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    How the hell is USC the odds-on favorite? That makes no sense whatsoever. Odds-on means less than even money, or theoretically greater chance than all other entrants combined. For example, a horse with 2/5 odds is an odds-on favorite. A horse that is favored at 5/2 odds is simply the betting favorite but is not remotely close to odds-on favorite.

    Granted, that term is repeatedly butchered and increasingly so. Golf Channel and specifically Steve Sands tosses out that phrase almost every week with zero comprehension he is making a fool of himself every time. There is no such thing as an odds-on favorite in professional golf. Tiger Woods has won more than 80 times on tour but he's never been the odds-on favorite. Closest was 6/5 in both the 2000 British Open and PGA Championship.
     
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    I agree. It was a tough call. The legacy thing. You have to honor that. I just wish the guy was a DE or LB or QB.

    Adding another TE is not a priority for this team right now.

    By the way CJ Pollard is a legacy and it didn't seem to help him much he's transfering.

    Sean Harlow another legacy was offered at the 11th Hr and he turned USC down because he was insulted.

    So their Legacy policy has not been consistent.

    Look it up Sean Harlow ended up at Oregon State.

    http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/2013/10/30/usc-coach-lane-kiffin-would-not-offer-oregon-state-ot-sean-harlow/

    BTW: Sean Harlow got drafted and is playing with the Atlanta Falcons
     
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    Pee-wee Helton. "I meant to do that."
     
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    Good argument. Still I think USC will be a real sleeper going into the season next year being that they have so much coming back. Harrell’s offense should pick up where it left off if not improve if history is any indication. If Orlando brings a strong defense and changes the practice attitude there could be a big turnaround. I know this sounds like a homer attitude, but with Alabama already downplaying their matchup with USC I really like USC as the underdog. Since you seem like a gambler, I would put this contest as a potential big money winner by picking USC to win.
     
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    If Alabama is mentally downplaying SC, the first step to the upset has been taken
     
  14. Wolfpack4SC

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    A couple tweets just came out that illustrated just how little this recruiting class will have on the next season. USC returns 82% of their production from last year which is by far more than any other team in the PAC-12 (Stanford 73%, Oregon 57%, Washington 52%, Utah 37%). On defense they again return the highest at 87% (OSU 82%, Oregon 81%), while on offense Cal brings back the most (for what it’s worth) at 93% with USC next at 77% (Utah 48%, Oregon 34%, Washington 30%). The PAC-12 standings could look much differently next year if that’s any indication.
     
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    Get those big boys on campus and start working their asses off in the weight room. That is all they can do at this stage.

    Every time a group of OL or DL come in, there are those that never see the light of day. The bigger stars usually do though. It's not often that a 3 star OL earns much PT at USC because rarely is there a 3 star OL, and if there is, he is behind legit 4 and 5 star guys. So this truly a new paradigm for USC. This group is akin to the class of OL that Ore St, WSU, etc seem to get. And they make the best of it. Here is hoping that there is one or two "Troy Palumalo's", OL style, in this new group.
     
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    3 star OL and DL are not unusual at all even during PC's glory years. I just went back to 2005 through 2011 recruiting classes. Out of 46 total OL and DL players we brought in, only 4 were 5 stars. 25 were 4 stars. 17 were 3 stars or below. A large number of those 3 stars and below either started or got significant playing time. You will notice alot of HIGHLY regarded recruits that were never developed.

    2005 (ranked #1 nationally)
    OL - Brown (3*) and Howell (3*)
    DL - Spicer (4*) and Moore (4*)

    2006 (ranked #1 nationally)
    OL - Heberer (3*) and Lewis (4*)
    DL - Simmons (4*), Parsons (3*), Ashley (3*), and Serrano (0*)

    2007 (ranked #2 nationally)
    OL - O'Dowd (4*) and Coleman (4*)
    DL - Reardon (4*), Tupou (3*), Kusnir (0*), Griffen (5*), and Harris (4*)

    2008 (ranked #4 nationally)
    OL - Kalil (5*), Smith (4*), Meyer (4*), Holmes (4*), and Campbell (4*)
    DL - Perry (4*), Horton (4*), Armstead (4*), Casey (4*), and Jackson (4*)

    2009 (ranked #2 nationally)
    OL - Graf (4*) and Martinez (4*)
    DL - Kennard (5*), Fangupo (4*), and Greene (3*)

    2010 (ranked #3 nationally)
    OL - Di Paolo (4*) and Guertler (0*)
    DL - Uko (5*)

    2011 (ranked #3 nationally)
    OL - Hobbi (4*), Walker (4*), Martin (3*), Garness (3*), Temple (3*), Galten (2*)
    DL - Townsend (4*), Heyward (4*), Woods (4*), Burks (3*), and Wilson (3*)
     
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    I agree with you.
     
  18. travyav

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    Usc to beat Alabama straight up? I’ll take that bet. Usc to cover the 3 td point spread...thats a different story.

    You have to remember that for this offense to be effective, the qb must be upright. Our oline will be worse next year. Look for about the same production, great against the weak teams, struggle against the good teams.
     
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    Thanks for the data. Good details.
     
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