Helton or Sark?

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  1. Peete2Affholter

    Peete2Affholter Junior Member


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    Okay - so then, who will have more success going forward; Sark at Texas, or Helton at USC?

    Forget about the past. Let's only look at 2021 and forward. Who will have more success over the next two seasons? (and folks, unless Helton REALLY steps on his dick and goes 3-9 or some such, I think it's likely he sticks around for 2022 as long as he's 7-5 or better this coming season)
     
  2. zitorocks

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    Helton will do better next season. He's done after next year....so beyond that is irrelevant. Sark will be given 3-5 years. I predict no better than what Helton did at USC.
     
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    I hope that's the case, but I have a feeling Helton will be with us for two more seasons. Also, if Sark has really become what a lot of people down south think he has become, then he has a chance to build something special at Texas.
     
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    How would they know? I mean his only responsibility has been to run the offense at Bama...under CLOSE supervision from Nick Saban. I imagine if Bama thought he wasn't replaceable, they would have done something to force him to stay (i.e. sabotage his vetting). Running the offense under supervision is VERY different from being responsible for everything regarding the program at a blue blood like Texas. The fans in Austin won't have a lot of patience after the prior two failed head coaches.
     
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    You really think Helton is going to be fired next year? (If by "next year" you get technical and mean 2022, then yes)

    I think, barring a total disaster of a season, say 4-8 or worse, he will keep his job,

    What seems likely is that our zombie program will continue shuffling along at a 7-5 clip. It's not quite dead, but it's not really alive, either.
     
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    Interesting comment from Sark, was this a knock on Clay or Tee?

    "I definitely want to be the playcaller. I will be the playcaller," Sarkisian recently told the Austin American-Statesman. "I made that mistake one year of my career [in 2015 at USC]. It won't happen again, not in the near future."
     
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    The year Helton won the Rose Bowl, USC didn't even with the Pac 12 South. The year he won the conference title, he lost by 17 points to Ohio State and by 35 points to Notre Dame.
     
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    And after winning the Rose Bowl USC finished that season with a #3 AP ranking. The Trojans had not finished a season with that high a ranking since the Pete Carroll era.
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    Was that the year we lost by 7 touchdowns to 'Bama?
     
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  11. IETrojanFan

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    That actually was an amazing season overall. It was the last season during which I really got excited.

    Too bad it was our last truly good season. When a coach peaks in his first season, it shouldn’t be enough to save his job after 5 subsequent years of steady decline.
     
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    Something Sark could do that Helton never would. tumblr_inline_pt62hqJucN1u7sjl9_400.gif
     
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    Next year meaning after the season. I think barring at a minimum a Rose Bowl win and no more than 2 losses. Anything worse than that, I think he gets canned after the 2021 season.
     
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    My fear is that Helton will put together a B- season; enough to keep his job, but where we still see that we are nowhere near being elite in any way. Something along the lines of 9-3 or 8-4 with a bowl win. Something that, to outsiders just looking at W-L and scores, looks pretty good. However, if the scores in the losses are predictable blowouts to actual good teams, we will know we are still in Helton's purgatory.

    Also, I do feel that, even if he goes 7-5, THAT will be enough if he pulls off an exciting win or two like he has this past season.
     
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    Cutty Sark. We would need a monitor so Cutty would stay off the booze.
     
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    FIFY. ;)
     
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    Man, that is so depressing. Being saddled with Soft Serve for another year or two because of a better than .500 record and an exciting win or two against inferior, bottom of the barrel teams. That's Helton magic! Relying on last second 50 yarders, one in a million bounces, or mental breakdowns to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat!
     
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    Maybe a 10-3 season keeps him his job, but nothing more than that. That is the absolute worst-case scenario. I can live with maybe 11-3 and 12-2. I don't think he gets either of those, but who knows. If you want Helton gone, we are going to have to lose at least 4 games.
     
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    Will you be rooting for USC losses? True Trojans do not do that.
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