ESPN: Potential massive Pac-12 player boycott

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  1. Rodgarnay51

    Rodgarnay51 Junior Member


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    That's kind of harsh, but I agree.
     
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    I would think so.
     
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    Yes. You can't feed the monster. The monster's appetite is never satisfied.
     
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    No.
     
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    If you don’t care about CFB, why do you constantly post on a CFB message board subjecting all of us your non stop whining and negativity?
     
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    College football and the universities got greedy which is the demise of most good things. Instead of sharing the revenue with the kids who were creating it (or provided lifetime healthcare or some other benefit) it wanted to keep all the money so that college administrators could become millionaires (since when does a college administration job make millions per year or have colleges buy them mansions to live in?) News today that the Rock/private equity bought the XFL and is going to pour in half a billion dollars into this developmental league. He could offer 5* high school football players $250k a year to play in the league and simultaneously partner with a local JC or college to provide a college education while they do it. XFL already has TV deals in place with the major networks to televise games. Why would a kid play for some college for free when he can get paid handsomely and still get an education? Greed created this opportunity so now the universities will reap what they sowed.
     
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    To get pansified snowflakes and wiftoes like you agitated. IT IS SO MUCH FUN, too.
     
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    Good business concept. Steal the best players from NCAA ranks. Pay them to play football, allow them to make money on advertising/sponsorship deals, give them generous healthcare, etc. Sponsor custom degree paths through online/commuter universities like Phoenix and Southern New Hampshire University. Win-win.
     
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    Too funny. The University itself no longer supports the fundamentals most likely under which you got your diploma and now the players are giving the fans a big middle finger and yet you want to support both? What a silly person you are.

    Growing up, how many times did a bigger stronger guy steal your GF, only to have you pine for her while he was going yard on her?

    The Uni tells you “F off”, the players tell you “F off,” but you still want to sniff their crotches. Now that is sad.
     
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    What are the "fundamentals", curious to know? The players are giving the fans the middle finger? How so? In what way are they doing that?

    You're straight out of the Grease movie w/ your examples - a bigger/stronger guy "stealing" my GF? She was never mine to steal. She either wants to be with me, or found something better...it works both ways. Going yard on her? Seriously man, you're from another era. Did Biff steal your GF at the Sockhop (Enchantment Under The Sea Dance at Hill Valley HS)?
     
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    “ We want half the revenue,” meaning the diploma we as plain students worked and paid for isn’t worth much,
     
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    I think there's more to this particular issue than meets the eye. Who's to say "50% of revenue" isn't being spent on athletes already. If players want to play the game of itemized "value" of benefits, they should be charged tuition as part of that compensation. Cost of locker rooms, weight rooms, dorm improvements, uniforms, etc., should all be itemized out. Cost of draft insurance policies, training equipment, trainer eqpmt (bandages/balms, etc.) should all be itemized out.

    Fair is fair. If you want to treat this like a business transaction, should be fair on both sides. I have no issue w/ that.

    But that also means the NCAA/Conf have to come clean w/ all of their expenditures, like coaches' pay, AD pay, Conf Prez pay, Bowl Comish pay, stadium costs, merchandise $, licensing, TV rights, etc.

    The "demands" are a list of negotiating points players want on the table. Does it mean they truly are demanding every one of these? Does it mean they'll truly hold out if they don't get all of them?

    The NCAA/Conf dropped the ball on this situation long ago. They should have compensated players for their likeness and either given all profits from players' jerseys/names to a player fund or donated it altogether. The greed on one side for so long has triggered an opposite reaction. I don't agree to giving players every one of their demands, but the fact that they've collectively united to take a stance is a long time coming...good for them. Even if it means the beginning of the end to CFB as we know it. It was always going to be an unsustainable situation when the NCAA/Conf brass were treating the "non-profit" like their ATM machines meanwhile telling players to be grateful for their schollies.
     
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    And how many 5 stars never pan out to play in the NFL?
     
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    If it is a business transaction, let them start a minor football league. I get that players might need stipends and I am good with that but not revenue sharing.
     
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    All of this is just very, very sad. Maybe it is the end of collegiate athletics. A hella mess.
     
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    Well, it would be the end of college football as we know it, because if the NFL had a viable minor/developmental league where the best 5* prospects would go to get paid as 18 year olds developing into hopeful NFL prospects, then college football would become more similar to college baseball (and to a lesser extent, like college basketball) where the ones playing college ball will be of a lesser caliber than the ones going pro.

    And I'm perfectly okay with that.
     
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    So do SEC players get 50% of that much larger pot? Would Ryan Ting have received the same $$$ as Reggie Bush? Would kids even have to play the charade of studying for class?

    Could Texas make a play for Kedon Slovis and offer more dough? Could boosters buy kids cars, blow, and hookers?

    Once money is TRULY the only currency, how do you restrict it?
     
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    Have you ever asked yourself, why do colleges bother with all this fball stuff? Why do they subject themselves to all this thrash of having to manage players/coaches? Why not focus on higher education and do that well? What's in this proposition for them?

    Perhaps they're not in such a hurry to have a minor league established and dig into their profits. Perhaps this truly is a business after all?

    The clever joke has always been in the altruistic charade colleges play in still maintaining the cherub persona of being non-profits that focus on education and just want to provide equitable programs to nourish their campus experiences and valuing of the "amateurism" status of students. Maybe 40 yrs ago they could claim this (perhaps not), but after TV deals, uniform deals, $10M coaching salaries...who's buying this crock anymore? After school-sanctioned academic fraud (ND), school sanctioned criminality (FSU-Jameis Winston), school sanctioned cover-ups (tOSU-Tressel), who still believes in the sanctity of amateurism and school altruism?

    The flipside, schools aren't all evil and self-serving; there can be mutually beneficial arrangements where schools still get theirs (w/in reason), and players benefit accordingly. There can be collective bargaining where the player side can say: "Hey, I noticed the SEC increased their TV revenue contract by $30M annually, perhaps you could invest half that into a player healthcare pension program (similar to VA for vets)?" "Hey, I noticed you're now paying our HC $10M per year, making him the highest paid public state employee by a magnitude of x5, perhaps you can make a matching "Salary Cap Penalty" donation to a state program"?

    I honestly think the NCAA needs to enact some type of salary cap model to discourage the current arms races between the halves/have-nots. They need to discourage this insane highest bidder for coaches (and not just HC's either). LSU paying their DC $2.5M annually for a state like LA is insane. Where's the dividing line between the free market/capitalism and running a public institution? If the answer is "The school makes double that money w/ his services," then perhaps we need to analyze how altruistic schools really are and what the gambit of all this truly is.
     
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