Defensively Speaking: Washington (from Kevin Bruce)

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Says who? all the posters and many of the "journalist" say we have to "practice how we play". Full pads and full contact and full anger and full crushing into the ground"
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Boswelli: In 11-11 you might try that but during the season your position drills are pop, form-up, explode eyes, wrap up (use your fingers if you have to) and drive your feet. That’s the drill. And it’s a full pop. You practice that and then you’ll play that proper technique at game time. This and related bag drills at full speed work. Btw, the pop is after one cut to force tackler to breakdown and chop his feet. Basic stuff that works.

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It sure seems that after a loss, USC players give lots of credit to the opposition for their game plan.

Do USC opponents ever credit USC with their great game plan?
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Conquest: Good question, not that I can remember. I don’t pay attention to coaches’ quotes much anyway. Nothing much is ever said. Wastes my time.

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Marlon is a R-SO, did he get hurt? I didn’t see that.
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I believe he had a back injury is frosh year that cost him that year. I think last year, Redshirt Frosh he was slowly recovering from that surgery.
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I could be wrong but I remember reading that very few teams if any, including Ala, Clemson, Ohio St., etc, work on live tackling during the season. And the tackling they do learn is at half speed to reduce injuries. I'm not making excuses for our "amazing" coach, just that tackling in football overall is changing...
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You probably read that from Helton's journal.

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So, last week, we lose the TOP, total yardage, and total plays to Utah, but win. This week, we win all of those, but lose big... Hmmm.

I'd say the biggest difference was Washington's ability to convert turnovers into points, and we did not... that and overall turnovers continue to favor the other team.

I'm flummoxed that Helton and Co continue to seemingly miss the basics... tackling, time management, discipline, you-name-it. Watching the Clemson game today, Swinney held out one of their top O players because of a mistake, for at least the next several plays, and this with the game on the line (at that time, late in the game, tied 14-14...) I'm sick of this head coach. If he's around next season, I will be very disinterested for the first time since about 1983...
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Once again, the losing team wins TOP, the most useless stat in FB. In every USC game this year, the losing team has won TOP. They really should stop keeping that stat, so that folks will stop commenting on it.
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After two significant shoulder injuries, you have to wonder if Pola-Mao is trying to prevent getting a 3rd. I can understand why he's a bit gun shy, but of course you can't play football that way.

In his limited time on the field last year prior to his 2nd injury, he seemed more physical. If he isn't going to use his whole body to form tackle opposing ball carriers, it is time to give someone else a shot at the position and see what they can do. ...
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IPM's 'limited time' on the field last year was the 1st half (might have been the 1st qtr) of the 1st game vs Las Vegas
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KB- I agree with everything you said. Why did USC pass 7 out of 10 on the first 10 plays vs a soft 5 man front? The offense did the defense 0 favors today. Really bad offense. Fink taking a sack instead of throwing it away early cost 12 yards of field early on the 1st TD by UW. His INT were horrible, and the play calling on offense was atrocious. All in all this was a winnable game with the right play calling on offense, instead the offense handicapped the D with short field all night.

This is the prime example of why we need to clean house and start fresh with new Coaches. Top to bottom.

It’s a shame, and these kids deserve better...
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Just take a look at the tackling. UW is taught to tackle at the lower legs. We seem to tackle at the waist and throwing the runner or receiver forward. Basic stuff isn't taught properly.

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Boswelli: In 11-11 you might try that but during the season your position drills are pop, form-up, explode eyes, wrap up (use your fingers if you have to) and drive your feet. That’s the drill. And it’s a full pop. You practice that and then you’ll play that proper technique at game time. This and related bag drills at full speed work. Btw, the pop is after one cut to force tackler to breakdown and chop his feet. Basic stuff that works.
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Thanks.. I never played and dont pretend to know much other than what the TV announcers tell me but I have been reading so much here about we don't tackle in practices and that is the reason we are not tough. Thanks again.

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Just take a look at the tackling. UW is taught to tackle at the lower legs. We seem to tackle at the waist and throwing the runner or receiver forward. Basic stuff isn't taught properly.
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Metro: I agree especially Palo Malo and others in secondary too.

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Metro: I agree especially Palo Malo and others in secondary too.
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Isn't tackling technique, angle, approach all handled in the Spring? Isn't this something that's corrected before the season? You tackle, your coaches watch, they give you feedback, you run drills, then apply mucle-memory in the games?

Kind of weird to be correcting high tackling 4 games into the season? What are they really doing during film time?

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Just take a look at the tackling. UW is taught to tackle at the lower legs. We seem to tackle at the waist and throwing the runner or receiver forward. Basic stuff isn't taught properly.
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Oh yes, absolutely, you are so right! Purple Pups latched onto our guys like velcro and got them to the ground quickly. The contrast in proper tackling technique was startling when compared to USC's woefully terrible technique. Bad coaching, bad coaching, bad coaching. What the hell is going on? It looks like the team doesn't do tackling drills at full speed, then come game time they look the part - slow to react, wrap up, and get their man to the ground. They stink!
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This and related bag drills at full speed work
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Just saw this, Bruce.

Bingo! Exactly, they are not tackling at full speed during practice and it shows! Man oh man, does it ever...

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Isn't tackling technique, angle, approach all handled in the Spring? Isn't this something that's corrected before the season? You tackle, your coaches watch, they give you feedback, you run drills, then apply mucle-memory in the games?

Kind of weird to be correcting high tackling 4 games into the season? What are they really doing during film time?
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I’m not sure they do film time. If they do, they would have corrected contain weeks ago. This whole staff is a joke. Top to bottom. But USC doesn’t have an AD that can even do anything about it. So we get to watch this over and over and over and over and over and... you get it...

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Isn't tackling technique, angle, approach all handled in the Spring? Isn't this something that's corrected before the season? You tackle, your coaches watch, they give you feedback, you run drills, then apply mucle-memory in the games?

Kind of weird to be correcting high tackling 4 games into the season? What are they really doing during film time?
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Vargas: You would think so but we've never been a good tackling team under Pendergast and Helton. Better practice it now I guess but if the intensity isn't in the drills it doesn't do much good. Somehow Hufanga learned how to tackle...

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If the head coach on the other team prepares his defense for SC ,why isn't SC coach smart enough to have his offense prepare for the other coaches defense...they knew both at BYU and Wash.
It is bad enough they do not practice real game speed full tackling and blocking since hellton took over, even skip practices...but to do nothing to counter that drop8 zone and variations or even practice against it?
SC did fairly well vs standard defense plan like Utah, except zero rush attack...but we all know this 'O' line is a work in progress; but vs 3 down linemen? Somehow SC blocked better vs Wash at th line, maybe learned from Utah game?

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I’m not sure they do film time. If they do, they would have corrected contain weeks ago. This whole staff is a joke. Top to bottom. But USC doesn’t have an AD that can even do anything about it. So we get to watch this over and over and over and over and over and... you get it...
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Good points.... CONTAIN has been an issue for a long time - even back in PC days. I don't get it. Its okay to mimic what other teams are doing that do it well. It's no secret.

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If the head coach on the other team prepares his defense for SC ,why isn't SC coach smart enough to have his offense prepare for the other coaches defense...they knew both at BYU and Wash.
It is bad enough they do not practice real game speed full tackling and blocking since hellton took over, even skip practices...but to do nothing to counter that drop8 zone and variations or even practice against it?
SC did fairly well vs standard defense plan like Utah, except zero rush attack...but we all know this 'O' line is a work in progress; but vs 3 down linemen? Somehow SC blocked better vs Wash at th line, maybe learned from Utah game?
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The comment I hate the most from our guys after a loss - and it happens quite a lot - and I paraphrase - "We weren't expecting them to do that" or something to that matter.
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It sure seems that after a loss, USC players give lots of credit to the opposition for their game plan.

Do USC opponents ever credit USC with their great game plan?
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Taking on the personality of their coach.

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If the head coach on the other team prepares his defense for SC ,why isn't SC coach smart enough to have his offense prepare for the other coaches defense...they knew both at BYU and Wash.
It is bad enough they do not practice real game speed full tackling and blocking since hellton took over, even skip practices...but to do nothing to counter that drop8 zone and variations or even practice against it?
SC did fairly well vs standard defense plan like Utah, except zero rush attack...but we all know this 'O' line is a work in progress; but vs 3 down linemen? Somehow SC blocked better vs Wash at th line, maybe learned from Utah game?
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Yale: Some of your questions are just not knowable right now but good questions. The practice intensity is Helton pure and simple. I hate to use the "back in the day" stuff but I know what I and my team mates went thru. We seriously kicked each other's asses on a bet. Fast Forward and Pete's teams were the same. The practices I've watched are honestly painful to me. As for self-scouting I know that it is done. What is unclear is, what do they do with the data? As for Cover 8, BYU and UW were very similar with some variances as you would expect. Both used dominant NTs but we did a much better job against UW. UW used man or a zone press with their corners on 3rd down and less than 4 yards. They were counting on us to run the ball and we did. The adjustment should have been to isolate Pittman or slot receiver on a deeper route against the press. Try that a few times and see what happens. Pittman's TD is an example...he split the CB and safety and a nice throw by Fink with good protection. The downside of throwing deeper on 3rd and short is not converting and putting the defense on the field 1 or 2 additional times in the game.

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Solid writeup, Kevin. Cant disagree with anything you said.

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