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  1. TheRealAirbns

    TheRealAirbns Junior Member


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    Komrade GaryB: "Derp, derp, derp, derp...."
     
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  2. August West

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    It’s pretty simple Komrad, don’t act like a lying sack of shit, and you won’t get treated like one.
     
  3. August West

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    Always.
    They always have complaints, problems and issues.
    They never have solutions.
     
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  4. GaryB

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    Is that true? I believe their solution is for the US to provide them with their share of US output up to 1865. If I'm not mistaken, the economies of the south and the north were completely dependent on the productivity of the slaves. If you get the benefit of what your ancestors built, why shouldn't the black race receive the same?
     
  5. 901 Club

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    If your ancestors were from Germany, Ireland, Italy, etc., no benefit is received from what the ancestors built. Do they pay?

    Is this to be paid by "white" people whose had an ancestor here in 1863? By "white" people today? Non-black people? The U.S. Treasury? Why, in any case?

    Next, if the "black race" representative (whoever that maybe) didn't have a black ancestor in slavery (e.g., Obama, Harris, Doelenz)'then why should they receive anything?

    More questions perhaps later.
     
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  6. August West

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    You ARE mistaken. As usual.

    Only 4-5% of the population owned slaves. You actually think dirt poor farmers across the country could afford slaves?!? NTM, black folk owned slaves as well.

    Black folk are afforded the same benefits ....show us, specifically, where they aren’t?
     
  7. August West

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    Where are my reparations?

    Africa is still engaging in slavery today. What about those Black Lives? They don’t matter?
     
  8. GaryB

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    In 1932, Southern Republicans attempted to pass a statute preventing Blacks from holding a job, if whites were out of work. At the time, black unemployment was greater than 50% versus 25% for whites. In the south, 70% of blacks were unemployed. In 1933, 28 blacks were lynched in

    Until that period, Blacks had traditionally voted Republican, but changed parties when FDR was elected.

    I wrote "It is an economic problem stemming from the fact that more than 50% of Black families are considered "Poor" versus 19% of White families. The economic difference explains 95% of the variance in family structure."

    Domestic policy dictates that public services follow the money. Those public services include education, health care, Justice, financial and transportation. There is overwhelming evidence to support the fact that "White Flight" to the suburbs reallocated services away from the inner city further dividing the rich from the poor. As of 2019, the bottom 50% of the population hold 1.5% of the country's net worth.

    Now, you want to argue that people with zero net worth, living in areas with sub-standard public services, remain in those conditions by choice (or culture). Your theory pre-supposes that if the public services were upgraded to a level comparable to the most affluent communities, the culture of the inner city dwellers would result in reversion over time.

    According to the National Center for Education Statistics, a white worker with a BA or higher earns 11% more than a Black with a BA or higher. According to you, this a matter of choice?
     
  9. KeenObserver

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    What could contribute this besides racism? I mean you're a stats guy.
     
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  10. August West

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    A 1932 bill preventing Blacks from voting?

    Hahaa! You have any proof of that?
     
  11. GaryB

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    901 - Are you arguing that the English, French, and Spanish were the beneficiary of enslavement and should be responsible for reparations? What about the Irish and Italians that worked in the textile factories in the North? Weren't they direct beneficiaries of the cotton?

    Given that cotton was our primary export, you can connect the financial, textile and shipping industry directly to the production of cotton. You can connect the funding of the Revolutionary War debt directly to the exportation of cotton. You can make a substantial argument that all of the country's wealth up to the industrial revolution is tied to the production of cotton.

    The phrase "Cotton is King" is derived from the fact that the slave population was valued at three times the total deposits in US financial institutions and seven times the total currency in circulation. In the book "Carry me Back (Table 2.1)", the author writes that the value of slaves exceeded by total amount of capital in the North & South by three times, railroad investment by 12 times, etc.

    The ancestors of the shareholders for the financial, textile, transportation, shipping, etc. benefitted directly from slavery. In fact, the entire white population has benefitted directly. The only ancestor group that hasn't benefitted are the families of the slaves.

    If you review the pre-revolutionary period, the majority of Blacks were slaves. The North freed slaves if they would agree to join the military or become indentured, buying their freedom. We know that travel restrictions, suffrage, and limited property rights impacted free Blacks throughout the northern states and western territories. So, we are arguing degrees of enslavement?
     
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    Gary, of the 651,000 Americans who died in the Civil War, you know, the war to free the slaves, how are those 651,000 dead Americans doing? Are they worse off? Just wondering...
     
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    According to Real, it is choice. According to the EPI, the statistical variables that you would normally use to explain the wag gap doesn't apply. In fact, the EPI argues that since 1979, when productivity began soaring in relationship to technological advancement and real wage increases became flat, educated Blacks have actually seen the wage gap grow to 18% from 11%. So, if you can't explain the increasing wage gap quantitatively, I guess we are left with a qualitative solution, which would include geography and experience (more Blacks in south, which has lower wages and fewer educated older blacks).

    Even if you normalize those characteristics, you cannot explain the entire wage gap without applying race.
     
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    Most picked their own cotton.
    Most could not afford slaves.

    You really need to stop arguing myths as facts.
     
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    Would you clarify? If the North had already freed the slaves; and the remaining states were no longer part of the US, how is the Civil War about freeing slaves? What happened to the war on secession?
     
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    Once again komrade shithead has hijacked a thread that started out being about his and ducex’s mom’s defending Anarchists in Portland.
     
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    Oops, you almost got me to go down the rabbit hole with you, Alice.

    Anyway, no use arguing about fake grievances for a fake cause.
     
  18. TheRealAirbns

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    No, that sounds like your theory. And reversion to what, exactly?

    In fact, we've seen this pattern over and over again in this country. You lefties take over and make all sorts of dumbassed leftist decisions and conditions eventually go to shit.

    We've seen the same thing in other places, too, and most of the time, it has nothing to do with available wealth. Look at Venezuela, for example. It happens because the belief system you've chosen doesn't work.

    How many times do you have to see it fail before you reject it? Or is the pull of the mythical utopia in your dreams too compelling?

    No, that's something quite different from what I said. Rather, they remain in those areas and in those conditions because of the choices they make in how to live their lives. Living in a shithole is the byproduct of that. They're making choices that limit their options and leave living in a shithole as one of their few things available to them.

    Or maybe you're right, they are, actually, choosing to live in a shithole. Because I don't know about you, but if I lived in a shithole that I couldn't stand, and free education were available to me to change that condition, I'd be all over that. Instead, people in Detroit, for example, choose a school board president who's illiterate.

    Yes.

    What are the majors? How many of the fewer blacks getting degrees are getting them in STEM and other subjects that would result in higher paying jobs?

    As we've seen with the bogus "women are getting paid 76 cents of what men make" claim, there are about 17 factors that go into how mach people make. For us to entertain your suggestion that racism is the cause of a disparity requires us to look at all of them. You're the only person implying there's a racism problem, there.
     
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    According to St Louis Federal Reserve Bulletin for Mar 1923, you are incorrect. In 1850, 1.8 million slaves were responsible for the production of 2,136,000 bales of cotton of which 86.8% was exported. The total production made up 75% of the global output for that period.
     
  20. TheRealAirbns

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    komrade GaryB: "Derp, derp, derp, derp...."
     

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