Bolden had behavior issues in student housing

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  1. Bolden had behavior issues in student housing
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    AnnenbergGrad Junior Member


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    Beyond what he is referring to, and beyond what Garry is reporting.

    I am not part of the expulsion process, but it doesn't take much to find that out, and that it was ongoing behavior for him. Not a one time thing.
     
       
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    Again if that is the case he should have been expelled or removed from housing. A two year suspension from football does nothing to alleviate the potential hazard if he is allowed to stay in the dorms. The protocols and decision make zero sense to me.
     
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    That doesn't explain the unfair and blatant denial of due process. Give him at least that before taking this thread any further based on here-say. If the findings are valid and can be corroborated then fine, expel. But due process and fairness is first and above all most important. This is the biggest problem concerning Title IX. It's anti-male and a vicious weapon of destruction.
     
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    That would go a long way to explain the extent of the punishment at least.
     
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    AnnebergGraf is right. I have a connection to this, someone that was present at the incident in feb. Bubba had quite a few “minor violations” with student housing. The number i was told was roughly 12 give or take prior to this incident in feb. the incident in feb wS not physical in nature but basically a incident involving alcohol, started as a laughing joking mutual thing, but escalated quickly. Very quickly into a verbal altercation. Bubba supposedly had to be restrained and finally left. However a few ppl there(young ladies) took what Bolden said as threats, some didn’t, a couple recanted later on. But one or more felt uncomfortable with him living so close. So the combination of it all is what got him in trouble. I don’t think the punishment fits the crime as the other parties have no consequences.

    SC has seemed to make an example out of him as they are dealing with fallout from to doctor situation and society in general. They will do whatever to avoid a lawsuit. Tell him he is suspended and not kicked out of school is their way of saying they didn’t take anything away from him, but they knew it would make him leave bring an athlete. They wanted him to make the choice to leAve on his own.
     
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    Kind of makes you wonder why the coaching staff didn’t nip the problem in the bud after the first or second incident....
     
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    They may have tried, and he may have chosen to continue to make poor choices on his own. Let's hope from here on, that he starts making better choices for himself. This unfortunate event does not have to define who he is.
     
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    Where's the leadership on the team among the players? Why didn't another player kick him in his rear and put him in his place? Do you think this kinda crap happens at Bama? One of their LB's would have handled this already.

    Indicative of the lack of leadership on the team IMO.
     
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    Time to crack down on raucous living on campus and in the housing.

    Easy solutions should include:
    1. Bring on an administrator from BYU and prohibit drinking completely.
    2. Also, any commingling between male and female parties needs to be done with a school official present and only after a signed consent document has been notarized.
    3. Lastly, a 10:00pm curfew is in the best interest of both the student, faculty, and perception of the school.
     
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    I thought it was funny...
     
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    If an idiot jackass accumulates 12 violations and still can't control himself, then perhaps that's exactly what "he" needs. And if a player requires that much attention, perhaps he's not really there to focus on his education and be the best FB player he can be?

    How is the HC not involved by the 2nd or 3rd violation...let alone the 10th or 11th? How in the hell was Bubba not held out of practices until he fixed himself and learned how to behave?

    It should have never come to this...it's a canary in the coal mine...and says a lot about the lack of leadership/discipline on the team...and how things can't get better anytime soon with this foundation.

    Where was the "FAITH" to discourage Bubba from misbehaving, where was the "FAMILY" of teammates to nip that sh*t in the bud before he got to his 8th violation, where was the "FOOTBALL" to instill the discipline to not let his team down and focus on bettering himself?
     
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    Then you kick him out of school. That didn't happen. They kept him status quo with the exception he couldn't play football; which is basically 90% of the reason he's here.

    So, they allowed a identified threat to remain, but punished him, his teammates and the coaches instead.

    Rule of thumb--threat or incorrigible then throw him out
    Not a threat but formal charges of student conduct violation--Do what's in the best interest of all parties. People mature and being responsible at different levels. We owe to all students to give them every opportunity to right the ship.

    Bolden got screwed by the process; not necessarily the result. Its become a joke.
     
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    Agree with you the process wasn't followed correctly and not implemented as it should have been. They seriously need to take another look at their process and ensure the end-result was arrived at correctly.

    Having said that, Bubba screwed himself, and clearly was not there to focus on FB or his education. He was there to be babysat and monitored...and who's got time for that? Certainly not a winning program that professes Faith/Family/Football.

    If he was a "threat" or a potential threat, he has no business there. Come back when you're ready to play football and have your head on straight. We don't need another distraction or national scandal.

    From a "due process" and policy compliance angle...he's prolly got a case to sue on the technicality of how the policy was applied, but that does not exonerate him from his behavior and the fact that he did not belong on the team.
     
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    My anger is not necessarily about Bolden. its a culmination of a series of cultural shifts at the university and program that I find contrary to where I and many other alumni feel it should go. We are far closer to irrelevance and sub-mediocrity than excellence in both school and football results and culture.

    IMO the inmates are running the asylum and if can point to a single culprit its Max--and we reward him with lifetime tenure and emeritus status when realistically he should be in jail for fraud, cover-ups and if you did deep enough I bet you can find all sorts of financial malfeasance and quid pro quo.

    So lets say Bolden was a bad seed, was Melton, was Josh Shaw, even Boermesiter, who probably had drinking issues but they didn't even let him get his two classes to graduate--self righteous bullshit.

    There are a lot of high quality students and athletes leaving the state for other schools because quite frankly they are getting a better holistic college experience. Culture matters, traditions matters, institutional stealth matters, integrity matters and defending yourself against injustice not just matters, but it is an essential component of a civilized society of free people.
     
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    Welp, Bolden is now free to continue his journey toward becoming an all-SEC safety, and centerpiece of a great Georgia or Alabama defense.
     
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    That sounds like a more specific topic covering the current culture at SC, how it's evolved, where it's headed and where some as yourself feel it should be headed. I'm sure there's merit to those arguments.

    As it relates to Bolden, the venn diagrams may intersect between your assertions and the method in which the existing policy on student conduct was applied (whether the policy followed a documented process, whether conclusions were come to accurately with all testimony available, whether this policy had the authority to decree this severe of punishment, whether after say ~ 5 violations this matter should have been escalated to a more formal venue where Bubba could have received more formal due process commensurate with the severity of the punishment doled out). On the surface, there are flaws in their process that requires some consulting so as to prevent kangaroo courts and ensure mob-rule doesn't take over. All fair points.

    On the topic of Bubba, his behavior is bullshit and entirely inappropriate for a scholly fball player. It shows neither a focus nor dedication to either purpose of why he's there (education or fball). There's no way this type of chronic behavior flies at any school...SEC or not. Saban nor Smart have any time for this type of nonsense.

    What's glaring is how that situation was allowed to fester, and why there weren't checks in place to prevent it from getting to this point.

    "Culture" may play a role in the process and "how" Bubba was dismissed, but culture would not play a role on "whether" he should have been kicked to the curb. After seeing Georgia boot a baseball player for making racist comments toward their QB...I seriously doubt Bubba's behavior would be tolerated anywhere. Maybe Miami back in the 80's....
     
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    Or USC in the 2000’s

    Believe dat, yo
     
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    That's the sad part. At least in those times, FB had such a grip on the culture that Bubba would have never gotten the 12 violations...he would simply have gotten 12 warnings and no one would have even heard about it.

    Actually receiving 12 violations shows how disconnected CH was from what was happening, and how no players on the team checked him after the 9th, 10th, 11th.

    Makes sense players in the 90's/200o's pushing the limits if there were no consequences, even more idiotic having the audacity to collect 12 violations and think you're still entitled to anything...
     
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    We also don't know what steps CCH took to attempt to remedy Bubba's behavior. I'm not a Helton supporter, but without the facts, we simply don't have any way of knowing what steps were taken to intervene on Bubba.
    From watching QB1 on Netflix, Bubba and Tate Martell were close friends - and both came off as the definition of "modern entitlement."
    Let's just hope he learns his lesson and changes his ways, otherwise he may end up in the penal system.
     
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    The locker room should have taken care of this after two complaints. It makes me believe that the team is not a "family" and many if not most are only in it for themselves and not for the team. "Not my problem".
     
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