Anyone else irritated that we "have" to run the Air Raid?

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  1. Anyone else irritated that we "have" to run the Air Raid?
    Globe

    Globe Junior Member


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    Watching us dink & dunk all day against BYU really pissed me off. Not that the Air Raid is a terrible offense, but why are we in a position where we have to run it? We're not Washington State or Texas Tech. We're freakin' USC! We shouldn't have to come up with some gimmick offense to move the ball because we can't match our opponent's talent level or physicality. We're one of college football's blue blood programs. Shouldn't we have a bunch of monster lineman and stud RBs and be able to shove the ball up BYU's @ss?

    Not saying we'd go back to student body right & give the ball to Marcus Allen 40 times a game. That doesn't work anymore. But aren't we capable of having a balanced offense with power running that complements a passing game? Nope, our offensive specialist head coach threw in the towel on that after last year's debacle and went the gimmick route to hide all our deficiencies. We're the new Wazzou!
     
       
  2. TrojanInSF

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    I share your frustration that Saturday's performance was very disheartening.

    I have no issues with the Air Raid as a scheme, but if they're gonna drop 8, we need to run the damn ball and pick up 300+ on the ground. The 3-man front absolutely owned our OL. Unacceptable.
     
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    We don't have to run it. Helton believes it is the most effective way to play football. Personally I would't mind seeing Markese Stepp get 40 carries.
     
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    The problem with Harrells air raid run offense is if the defense keys on the RB they stop the run.
    There are no alternative running plays. Maybe try a reverse with one of the WRs?
    One of the things about the good true air raid OCs are they are very creative.
    It is much more than just labeling the offense air raid.
     
  5. Trojack

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    The 3-man front was a pre-snap front when in actuality, they quickly brought another 3 or 4 in at the snap. The mistake in this case was NOT using the Air Raid. Running was precisely what they wanted us to do.
     
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  6. August West

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    No, I love the Air Raid, but were not running it. We are utilizing certain aspects of it, but we are not an Air Raid offense. It’s typical of our staff, more gumbo BS.
     
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    Doesn’t another blue blood, Oklahoma, also use air raid? And they have been to CFP regularly.
     
  8. August West

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    Yup since Leach was OC in ‘99
     
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    They also run the ball. And their QB is their leading rusher.
     
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    They dont have Helton.
     
  11. GoSC1

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    Bingo! We were suckered. Outcoached. We need to take EVERY opponent as seriously as they take us. BYU did it’s homework and prepared a game plan that was risky, but well executed. They even figured hat Helton and company wouldn’t make the necessary adjustments.
     
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    Not quite. Bob Stoops ran Norm Chow's BYU offense right after attending a Chow clinic for coaches. What Okie is running now with their Air Raid is a little different but it's just another version of the spread offense, which most college offenses are nowadays.
     
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    BINGO!!!

    This was the issue.
     
  14. Jay4usc

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    It’s not the offense it’s the Head Coach, DC, Special Team Coach .
     
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    That is completely incorrect.

    Leach was OC in ‘99. Mark Mangino was the offensive line coach.

    The following season, Leach took the Texas Tech gig, and Mark Mangino took over as OC, running Leach’s Air Raid.
    To give you an idea of how much Stoops embraces that offense, he hired Hal Mumme as his OC for the Dallas XFL team this Spring.

    Mumme, in case you didn’t know, was one of the founders of the Air Raid offense, along with Mike Leach who was an assistant under Mumme at Iowa Weslyan, Valdosta St and Kentucky.

    Sonny Dykes and Tony Franklin were also assistants under Mumme at Kentucky.

    Now it has been said that Mumme and Leach took some principles from Lavell Edwards, as well crossing routes from the West Coast offense. By the time Leach got to Oklahoma, he had developed his own offensive identity.
     
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    I thought Tedford had a great offensive plan that I would love to see USC utilizing, but until USC shows they are willing to pay the big bucks for a top shelf coaching staff (including assistants), I think Helton is doing the best within the constraints he has been straddling. It seems USC has to figure out how not to be the center of so many lawsuits, but I guess that’s life in LA.
     
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    This is exactly right. Harrell and Helton should have recognized that BYU was squeezing the box post-snap. The in-game adjustments they failed to make would have been to call up some screens, as well as go deep (the few long ball attempts they tried seemed to work out well for the most part). If the opposing D is taking away the run and the short routes in the center of the field, the ''green grass'' is on the edges as well as all that real estate behind the DBs.

    Hopefully the two Hs will now have learned that, although post-game adjustments aren't quite as helpful to the outcome as in-game adjustments (sorry, the sarcasm just leaked out before I could stop it).
     
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  18. LoyalTrojan

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    Gotta work with whatcha got. Can’t play power football if you’re a finesse team. Can’t live in the past when you’re dealing with the present....
     
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    And as was shown most conspicuously against ANY of the power teams we have faced in recent years (Alabama, tOSU, Notre Dame), we don't have an O-line that can consistently run the ball. Utah and Tennessee averaged 47 carries and 254 yards (5.4 ypc, Utah was 5.9 and TN was 4.9 ypc) against BYU. We only managed 171 yards on our 45 attempts (3.8 ypc). Same D line that was gashed by Utah and Tennessee owned us. Not good. Not good at all.

    Having run those numbers...it makes me wonder how our D-line is going to fare against the Utah O-Line that generated the 5.9 ypc against BYU!
     
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    BYU took away all the short and intermediate routes....daring us to throw long.
    But when we ran Stepp north and south, they had no answer, our OL was too big for their front 3.
    We made no in game adjustments.
     

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