“I am sick, this doesn’t really feel like a win." Cameron Smith Arhedge Junior Member Joined: Aug 24, 2017 Messages: 2,220 Likes Received: 6,482 Sep 30, 2018 #1 Yes, Cam. Thank you. There are lots of things that could be said about technique and tactics and the like. But sometimes getting in the weeds just makes no sense. You don't analyze note-for-note Roseanne Barr's national anthem performance -- what's the point? Arizona is not a good football team with Khalil Tate healthy. With a half-crippled Tate, Arizona is awful. Yet playing against a completely over-matched opponent, USC: Had 18 penalties Had 3 turnovers Allow Zona to score the last 20 points of the game Went 6 straight series in the second half without a point against a very poor defense Had a game that should have been 41-7 or so, with the second and third string playing the entire 4th quarter, instead come down to an onside kick. This is not an isolated bad game. This is not Pete Carroll losing one WTF game every year. It's not Dabo Swinney almost losing at home to Syracuse. It's week after week after week of undisciplined, uninspired, ugly football. It's almost unwatchable at times. And I suppose the good news is that because USC has made itself almost irrelevant to the rest of the college football world, at least nobody is watching. "We look like one of the most undisciplined teams in the country, and it kills me. I'm tired of coaching an undisciplined team. I don't want to be the only one who won't put up with it. The team has to not put up with it." Quote from Clay Helton? No. Scott Frost. Here's a quote from Clay Helton: "“We played a good game tonight." No, coach. You did not. Again. If you want to blame the players -- if you want to say that these kids, who were almost all blue-chip recruits that every program in the country wanted -- and if you want to conclude that they just don't have any talent, go ahead. Sure, it's possible that all of USC's blue-chip recruits fooled everybody in high school and somehow, some way, USC always seems to land a collection of guys that can't play even though everybody wanted them, whereas the other programs that recruit like USC actually get the real-deal blue chippers, then you can believe that. If you are capable of believing something so bereft of evidence, I can't change your mind. If you can watch last night's game, and the four before it, and most of the games last year, and believe Clay Helton is building something and that this program has strong, competent leadership, I don't know what to tell you. If you can watch the product USC puts on the field these days and still think Helton and staff know what they're doing, I can't help you. If you think USC is giving these players what they signed up for instead of cheating them with poor coaching that not only robs them of the joy of the success they could be having but also jeopardizes their future career prospects, I don't know what to say. All I know is USC looks more like a Paul Hackett-coached team every week, and the reason for that seems pretty obvious. Peete2Affholter, Troy70, reaLchaZZZy and 20 others like this.